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McCartneys Join Effort to End Seal Hunt
yahoo ^ | 3-2-06

Posted on 03/02/2006 7:00:04 AM PST by LouAvul

Opponents of Canada's seal hunt have a powerful ally in their bid to end the annual slaughter: Paul McCartney, who has pledged to take to the ice floes and frolic with the doe-eyed pups before the harvest gets under way.

The former Beatle and his wife, Heather Mills McCartney, arrived Wednesday night in this small fishing community on Canada's Atlantic coast and intend to land a helicopter on the ice in the Gulf of St. Lawrence on Thursday if weather permits.

The longtime animal-rights activists want to publicize the plight of the fluffy white pups, which are calved and weaned from their mothers on the frigid ice before being clubbed to death.

The United States has banned Canadian seal products since 1972 and the European Union banned the white pelts of baby seals in 1983.

The British government is also considering banning the import of seal goods. Groups such as Respect for Animals and the Humane Society of the United States, which are coordinating the McCartneys' visit, are encouraging people to boycott Canadian seafood as a show of solidarity.

"I think the McCartneys are two of the most visible people in the world, and with them drawing attention to the fact that this hunt is still going on, this is going to get that message out across the world," said Rebecca Aldworth, who will be observing and documenting her seventh seal hunt for the Humane Society.

Aldworth said the McCartneys quizzed her long and hard about the annual harvest, including the economic benefits that sealing brings to the local fishermen, whose livelihoods were devastated when the Atlantic Ocean cod stocks dried up in the mid 1990s.

The Canadian government endorses the harvest as a cultural right for many Maritimers and announced a hunting management plan in 2003 with a quota of 975,000 seals over three years.

About 325,000 seal pups were killed during the hunt last year, bringing the local fishermen $14.5 million in supplemental income, which they say their families badly need during the winter offseason.

The dates for the spring leg of the hunt have yet to be announced as the unseasonably mild temperatures in northeastern Canada have made the ice thin.

Federal Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn said Canada would not terminate the annual hunt and insisted it is the most regulated mammal harvest in the world. The government says the country's seal population is abundant, estimating there are 5 million harp seals.

"I would encourage Mr. McCartney when he comes here to see the effect this is having on the economy and to realize this is sustaining people in their home communities," Hearn said.

Aboriginal and Inuit subsistence and commercial hunters begin the kill Nov. 15 in Canada's vast expanse of frozen northern waters. The spring leg of the commercial hunt starts in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and then moves to the Atlantic Ocean about 30-40 miles away from Newfoundland.

Harp seals have been hunted commercially off Newfoundland since the early 1700s. They were first harvested for their oil, but now are culled mostly for their pelts, sold mostly for the fashion industry in Norway, China and Russia.


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1 posted on 03/02/2006 7:00:05 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

The seal hunt is NOT A HUNT - it is a slaughter! I am very pro-hunting but this is NOT hunting its wasteful slaughter!


2 posted on 03/02/2006 7:04:20 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: LouAvul; sure_fine

I'm no tree hugger or PETA supporter, but this barbaric slaughter of baby seals should be stopped. It serves no useful purpose. Wear cloth coats, folks.


3 posted on 03/02/2006 7:08:21 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (Borders, Language, Cultureā„¢)
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To: LouAvul

Good grief. McGyver, now a has-been Beatle. I'm going to buy everyone in my family seal fur lined slippers next Christmas.


4 posted on 03/02/2006 8:44:00 AM PST by pissant
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To: areafiftyone

I agree, but look at those numbers. 325,000 pups in one year with a current population of over 5 million.

The idea that there will not be dramatic economic results to the fishing community without these culls cannot be taken seriously. Imagine even a 50% natural survival rate and you are talking about doubling the population of Harp seals in about a decade.


5 posted on 03/02/2006 8:50:22 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: butternut_squash_bisque; areafiftyone
I agree 100% with both of your sentiments.

Baby Harp seal


6 posted on 03/02/2006 9:14:12 AM PST by MotleyGirl70 (...run for the tracks.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

I guess some animals are more equal than others. Would people feel the same if baby seals weren't so gosh-darned cute?


7 posted on 03/02/2006 9:16:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: LouAvul

I'd have a lot more respect for McCartney if he agreed to live in some Newfie's house for a year while the Newfie lived in his house for a year.
Classy how a near-billionaire criticizes how someone in one of the poorest areas of the world makes a tough living. Maybe they should go back into the leaky coal mines under the ocean floor. But what would McCartney know of that?


8 posted on 03/02/2006 10:42:15 AM PST by jjmcgo (Patriarch of the Occident since March 1, 2006)
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To: LouAvul

"About 325,000 seal pups were killed during the hunt last year, bringing the local fishermen $14.5 million in supplemental income, which they say their families badly need during the winter offseason."

It may in fact be a slaughter instead of a hunt, but these people need the bucks this provides. If it were my choice, do this and feed my kids or let them go hungry, I'd be there doing it.


9 posted on 03/02/2006 12:52:14 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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To: LouAvul; areafiftyone; butternut_squash_bisque; GeorgiaDawg32; dfwgator; jjmcgo; MotleyGirl70; ...

If the only way you can feed your children is to slaughter baby mammals by clubbing them to death in front of their still-protective mothers, going ahead and skinning alive the ones who don't quite killed or knocked unconscious by your poorly aimed bashes, and leaving a number of the mothers mortally wounded, to die slowly because they tried to defend their pups from your savagery, then you urgently need to stop having children, and you need to teach the children you have that they must under no circumstances have any children themselves until they're in a position to support them without behaving like complete barbarians. Nature will limit the seal population in a much less savage manner, largely by reducing the number of births, as mothers who've eaten less will produce smaller litters.


10 posted on 03/02/2006 1:22:45 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

kids CANNOT pick their parents nor where they're born. Once born, they must eat..I don't pretend to defend this action of "hunting" the seal pups, but I do understand the instinct to take care of ones family..besides, what they're doing is legal until declared otherwise by the gov't..


11 posted on 03/02/2006 1:25:18 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I'd let the government feed my kids long before I'd do this, and it's not like the Canadian government wouldn't feed them.


12 posted on 03/02/2006 2:19:18 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: pissant
Ehhh, I figure I'll go ahead and be a jerk...


13 posted on 03/02/2006 3:06:54 PM PST by proud_yank (Liberalism - The 'Culture of Ignorance'.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; girlangler
I'd let the government feed my kids long before I'd do this

Why? Do you feel the same about hunting, or other forms of trapping? I'm a very avid hunter and I have pondered getting into trapping too. Despite that, I don't know that seal hunting is something I would ever get into, but I don't see what all the fuss is about besides the fact that they are 'cute'?

The Atlantic seal hunt – FAQs
14 posted on 03/02/2006 3:18:37 PM PST by proud_yank (Liberalism - The 'Culture of Ignorance'.)
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To: proud_yank

Normal quick-kill hunting generally affords the animal a death no slower, no more painful, and no more terrifying than nature would afford. That's hardly the case with this seal hunt. As for trapping, many forms of it are extremely inhumane. Anyone who puts out one of those steel-jawed leg-hold traps ought to do serious prison time IMO. I'm not familiar enough with all the possible methods of trapping to say which, if any, I would consider humane.


15 posted on 03/02/2006 3:28:42 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
That's hardly the case with this seal hunt.

From the link I sent:

....A 2002 report in the Canadian Veterinary Journal found that "the large majority of seals taken during this hunt … are killed in an acceptably humane manner." This study found that 98 per cent of hunted seals it examined had been killed properly.

no more terrifying than nature would afford

Nature can be terribly and horrifically cruel.

I'm not familiar enough with all the possible methods of trapping to say which, if any, I would consider humane.

How can you then say:

Anyone who puts out one of those steel-jawed leg-hold traps ought to do serious prison time IMO.

I personally have never trapped, but people I know who do say that it is not good if the animal remains alive for long after being caught, and a quick death is something they try to achieve for ethical reasons, and because it is better for the pelt.
16 posted on 03/02/2006 3:38:56 PM PST by proud_yank (Liberalism - The 'Culture of Ignorance'.)
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To: proud_yank

I don't necessarily trust the Canadian Veterinary Journal, nor do I know how they obtained their sample of seals. There have certainly been plenty of other veterinary reports over the years with very different findings. There has been substantial documentation over many years, of viciously inhumane treatment of the seals, disgusting behavior of the hunters towards activist-observers (like exposing themselves, and worse, to female observers), and the undisputed dumping of hundreds of thousands of skinned carcasses which are left behind to rot, by these allegedly dirt-poor hunters who apparently aren't poor enough to be bothered with all that fresh meat.

The problem with the leg-hold traps is precisely that they do NOT afford a quick death. Badly wounded animals are often left struggling in them for days, and some even chew off their own leg to escape, only to die of infection or gangrene afterwards.


17 posted on 03/02/2006 4:24:42 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker; girlangler
There has been substantial documentation over many years, of viciously inhumane treatment of the seals, disgusting behavior of the hunters towards activist-observers (like exposing themselves, and worse, to female observers), and the undisputed dumping of hundreds of thousands of skinned carcasses which are left behind to rot, by these allegedly dirt-poor hunters who apparently aren't poor enough to be bothered with all that fresh meat.

Some of that sounds like it could be taken straight from the gospel of PeTA, SeaShepherd, HSUS, or Greenpeace. As such it is something that I would question very critically The CBC is very left-leaning, and I was rather surprised that they had anything remotely 'moderate' to say on the issue.

The problem with the leg-hold traps is precisely that they do NOT afford a quick death. Badly wounded animals are often left struggling in them for days, and some even chew off their own leg to escape, only to die of infection or gangrene afterwards.

Again, I have never trapped before, but the trappers I have spoken with tend to go for beaver or muskrat. What I have been told is that the proper way to set traps is underwater so that they drown within a couple minutes. Trap lines are checked daily too, and if an animal is held long enough where they try to bite through their leg, by that point the pelt is usually ruined.

Is it 'barbaric'? Sure, call it what you will but these animals (esp. harp seals) are not endangered, many of them are a nuissance, and the main argument against it is that 'they're cute'.

Plenty of things that I would label as 'delicious' are what others would say are 'cute' and things that people label 'warm &/or attractive' would also be labeled 'cute'.

I used to be pseudo anti-trapping, based on the grounds that 'something shouldn't die for someone to wear their fur'. I have gotten into hunting heavily over the past couple years, and since then I have given up my stance on trapping based on the grounds that a big reason I hunt is simply that I enjoy all aspects of it (whether I get anything that day or not), not because I need that meat. Though I do really enjoy eating what I get too!

I enjoy being outside more than anything else (I've got some good pics of the things I enjoy doing on my homepage), and despite the fact that I may sound like a sadistic red-neck given my arguments, I think that animals are beautiful creatures that I enjoy watching in their natural environment (with or without a gun in hand). However, I still think that people should be able to trap and harvest furs for sport, or for economic reasons.
18 posted on 03/02/2006 5:03:02 PM PST by proud_yank (Liberalism - The 'Culture of Ignorance'.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; proud_yank

There has been substantial documentation over many years, of viciously inhumane treatment of the seals,"

If you are referring to the Greenpeace, U.S. Humane Society, and other animal rights propaganda, it is just that.

Greenpeace's documentary in the 1970s of this seal hunt has been the SINGLE biggest fundraiser for an AR group in history. However, a Canadian investigative journalist proved years ago that Greenpeace PAID sealers to cruelly kill the seals in the documentary for impact.

As for Paul McCartney, he and his first wife also urged the public to boycott funding Easter Seals, etc., because they are (Linda was) against animal testing for medical research. That didn't stop Linda from using state of the art medical procedures (developed from animal testing) when she was fighting breast cancer.

Naturally the AR groups are all over this seal hunt -- it is a proven hefty fundraiser, since baby seals are so cute.


19 posted on 03/02/2006 5:27:56 PM PST by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: proud_yank; girlangler

I have no doubt that the animal rights groups focus on the most egregious examples and present them as the norm, but the seal "hunters" have provided them with a steady supply of egregious examples. And if Greenpeace bribed some hunters to stage barbaric acts for their cameras, that doesn't exonerate seal hunters, just places Greenpeace in the same disgusting category as the hunters. Nobody could bribe me, or any civilized animal hunter, to engage in acts of wanton cruelty against animals. In addition, the Canadian authorities bring criminal charges against a significant number of seal hunters each year, suggesting that there are a lot of truly awful things going on (certainly many more than number against whom charges are brought, unless these Canadian authorities are running the most efficient law enforcement operation in human history), and also suggesting that in the absence of some monitoring by law enforcement authorities a lot more would almost certainly be going on, and was going on before animal rights groups honed in on this particular issue and forced the Canadian government to take at least some minimal measures. However, the most loudly touted measure is completely meaningless -- they're no longer allowed to kill babies that are still white, but instead have to wait another week or so 'til they start turning brown and THEN bash their heads in. That may satisfy a few mushy-headed people for whom "cuteness" was the issue, but it certainly doesn't make a crumb of difference to any rational person. If anything, the slightly older baby seals are more aware of what's happening around them, and then to them.

"Cuteness" is not on my radar screen as far as animal cruelty is concerned, though the cuteness of baby harp seals has certainly helped the animal rights groups gain attention and sympathy for their cause. The depravity of human beings who are capable of approaching any baby mammal who is eagerly discovering life under the watchful eye of its mother, and bashing its head in with a club, and bashing the mother too if she tries to interfere, is a very grave matter in my opinion. If someone really has to do things like this because their own young are literally starving, that's one thing, but freely choosing to do it is a sign of a very dehumanized mind. These seal hunters are forever giving lame interviews about how "it's part of our culture" and similar garbage, and their children are obviously not starving or thousands of tons of edible seal meat wouldn't be left behind to rot. If your culture sucks, change it.


20 posted on 03/02/2006 7:05:34 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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