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Nathan Forrest: Still confounding, controversial
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | 2/19/6 | SCOTT BARKER

Posted on 02/18/2006 9:43:18 PM PST by SmithL

"The past isn't over; it isn't even past."
- William Faulkner

Self-made businessman and brutal slave trader.

War hero and war criminal.

Civic leader and Klan boss.

Nathan Bedford Forrest has been called all these and more, a man whose complex and sometimes contradictory legend has grown to almost mythic proportions. The Confederate cavalry general and leader of the original Ku Klux Klan, to a greater extent than other Rebel figures such as Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, stirs debate to this day.

Born in the backwoods, enriched near Big Muddy, glorified in war and vilified in peace, Forrest is one of the most praised and pilloried of Tennesseans.

His statue towers over a park in Memphis; his bust glares down at legislators in the state Capitol building; children attend Forrest School in Chapel Hill and families vacation at Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park near Eva.

But the Memphis statue has been the target of graffiti artists, the capitol bust of protests. The state parks system also manages the remains of Fort Pillow, site of the massacre that stained Forrest's reputation forever.

According to one count, noted by University of Tennessee journalism professors Paul Ashdown and Ed Caudill in their 2005 book, "The Myth of Nathan Bedford Forrest," there are 32 statues of Forrest in Tennessee - more than the number of Lincoln statues in Illinois or George Washington statues in Virginia.

Some, however, think Tennesseans would be better served by ignoring an ignoble warrior. Just last year, black leaders in Memphis tried to remove the statue and his name from a city park.

The various versions of Forrest are hard to reconcile.

"We have a hard time with ambiguity," Ashdown said.

That ambiguity, for some, fuels fascination with Forrest.

"It doesn't matter if you love him, hate him or don't know much about him," Caudill said, "he's a great story. And we love great stories."

The early years

Forrest was born in the backwoods of South Central Tennessee, near the hamlet of Chapel Hill, on July 13, 1821. His rough-and-tumble childhood, recounted by Ashdown, Caudill and other biographers, set the tone for his entire life.

An obelisk flanked by a Confederate battle flag marks his birthplace today. Forrest's name also adorns the high school in Chapel Hill.

Roy Dukes, assistant director of Marshall County Schools, said the name hasn't been controversial.

"To my knowledge, it has never been an issue," Dukes said.

Chapel Hill's black population is small - about 4 percent of its nearly 1,000 residents. The student body at Forrest School, which educates more than 700 students in grades six through 12, mirrors the community.

Dukes, who is black, said minority students haven't reported concerns about the name. He said the quality of the teachers inside the classroom, not the name on the outside of the building, is more important in educating students.

"I've never had anyone make me feel uncomfortable and it's never bothered me," Dukes said. "It's part of history."

Forrest's rough upbringing presaged a violent adulthood that included a downtown shootout in Hernando, Miss.

Later that year, in 1845, he married Mary Ann Montgomery, who was related to a Revolutionary War general. The couple later moved to Memphis, where Forrest served as an alderman and flourished as an entrepreneur. He also owned a 3,400-acre plantation in North Mississippi.

Though he engaged in a variety of more respectable business enterprises, including a stage line, a brickyard and a cattle-and-horse brokerage, he's best remembered now as a slave trader. By the time Tennessee seceded from the Union, he was a wealthy man.

The war years

When the Civil War broke out in 1861, Forrest enlisted as a private in the Confederate army. Tennessee Gov. Isham B. Harris, a personal friend, asked him to raise a unit of cavalry and promoted him to colonel.

Forrest was a savage warrior. According to his count, he killed 30 men and had 29 horses shot from under him. He argued with his superiors and once fatally stabbed a subordinate.

As a tactician, he was one of the most brilliant of the era. The late historian Shelby Foote called him one of two true geniuses to emerge during the war, the other one being President Abraham Lincoln.

Almost always outnumbered and untutored in the art of war, Forrest outflanked, outwitted and outfought West Point graduates.

The battle at Brice's Cross Roads, in Mississippi, was his masterpiece. He divided his troops in the face of a much larger Union force, and, using the terrain to his advantage, attacked from multiple angles to achieve an overwhelming victory.

If Brice's Cross Roads was his most glorious moment, the assault on Fort Pillow was his most shameful.

Fort Pillow stood on the Chickasaw Bluffs overlooking the Mississippi River north of Memphis. Though it was supposed to have been abandoned, the fort was manned by 605 Union troops, including loyal Tennessee cavalry troopers and two artillery units composed of 284 black soldiers, plus their white officers.

On April 12, 1864, Forrest sent a note demanding surrender, and then unleashed his troops.

Estimates of the Union dead were as high as 297, roughly half the garrison. Though blacks made up about half the Union troops, they died at twice the rate of their white comrades.

"The massacre took place, there's no doubt about it," Ashdown said.

But to this day there is debate over whether Forrest ordered the massacre, allowed it to happen, ordered a halt to the killing or didn't know about it at all until later.

To Caudill and Ashdown, it doesn't matter.

"Any way you cut it, he was responsible," Caudill said. "He was the commander."

The state of Tennessee has preserved the battlefield, which is now a state historic park.

The state Legislature also established Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park in 1929, at the site of his raid on a supply depot in Johnsonville. According to the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation, people have occasionally commented or complained about the name.

"We received one complaint last year questioning the use of that name in association with the park," TDEC spokeswoman Tisha Calabrese-Benton said.

Forrest was promoted to lieutenant general, the only soldier on either side to rise from private to such a lofty rank, on Feb. 28, 1865. As vicious as he was in battle, Forrest was resigned to defeat when the end of the war arrived a few months later.

In his farewell address to his troops, Forrest told his men, "You have been good soldiers; you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor and the government to which you have surrendered can afford to be and will be magnanimous."

Klan years

After the war, Forrest set about trying to rebuild his fortune. He'd sold off part of his land, but quickly set up a sawmill on his Mississippi plantation. He tried his hand at insurance and paving, but filed for bankruptcy within three years.

Ashdown and Caudill point out that Tennessee, like the rest of the defeated South, was a society that had collapsed into lawlessness. In many places, returning Confederate soldiers formed vigilante committees to keep the peace.

One such group banded together in 1866 in Pulaski, Tenn. The original Ku Klux Klan was formed to fight outlaws, carpetbaggers and what its founders deemed the excesses of Reconstruction. Loosely organized dens spread quickly throughout the South.

Forrest wasn't a founder of the Klan, but he was recruited into its leadership. His exact role in the secret society remains murky, Caudill said.

Unlike the groups that resurrected the name in the early 20th century, the original Klan didn't have racism as its reason for existence.

"They were really vigilantes," Caudill said of the first Klan. "You don't want to defend the Klan, but the Klan of the 1860s was not the Klan of the 1920s."

As the Klan expanded, however, it became increasingly violent, prompting Gov. William G. "Parson" Brownlow to call out the militia to extinguish the group. In 1869, because of the rising tide of violence, Forrest ordered the Klan to disband.

Conciliatory years

During the last few years of his life, Forrest tried to build a railroad, but failed. As his fortunes dwindled, though, his outlook on race became more progressive.

He frequently said that freed blacks would drive the region's recovery from the ravages of war.

On July 5, 1875, at a barbecue near Memphis, Forrest accepted a bouquet of flowers from a black woman named Lou Lewis and, according to a newspaper account reprinted by Forrest biographer Jack Hurst, told the primarily black audience that he wanted to strengthen race relations.

"I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms and wherever you are capable of going," he said.

Later in his brief address, he said, "We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment."

Forrest spent his last days running a prison work farm on President's Island in the Mississippi River. He and his wife lived in a log cabin they had salvaged from his plantation. He died on Oct. 29, 1877.

He was buried in Elmwood Cemetery in Memphis. In 1905, his and his wife's bodies were moved to Forrest Park near the University of Tennessee-Memphis campus. A statue of Forrest on horseback marks the graves.

Last year, Shelby County Commissioner Walter Bailey started an effort to move the statue and rename the park. Bailey also wanted two other city parks renamed.

Memphis Mayor Willie Herenton, who is black, blocked the move.

"In the aftermath of the tragic assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in our city, we do not need another event that portrays Memphis nationally as a city still racially polarized and fighting the Civil War all over again," Herenton said when he announced his decision in August.

"Believe me," he continued, "I understand and share the same commitment many citizens have to resist bigotry and racial hatred, but digging up and moving graves or renaming city parks is not the proper way of dealing with this issue."

Remembering Forrest

Today, state Rep. Johnny Shaw, D-Bolivar, walks beneath a bust of Forrest whenever he enters the House of Representatives chamber of the state Capitol building. Like the Memphis statue, the bust has been the object of protest over the years. Shaw, the chairman of the Legislature's Black Caucus, said it's time to stop honoring Forrest.

"While I think it's important that we commemorate history, I don't think we need to highlight people like Nathan Bedford Forrest," Shaw said. "That doesn't speak well for us. We've got to become race-neutral to overcome (inequality), and I don't think we can become race-neutral if our parks are named after him."

Ashdown, on the other hand, warned against turning a blind eye to history.

"I'm against going back and cleaning up history," Ashdown said.

Tennesseans, whether they admire or revile him, cannot forget Forrest. Though the war that catapulted him to fame and infamy ended 141 years ago, Forrest still rides in the state's collective imagination.

"Tennesseans just don't know what to do with him," Ashdown said. "You can't kill him, and he keeps coming back in different ways."


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To: Colt .45
Not to mention the fact that the US Army wanted Nathan Bedford Forrest to command troops during the Spanish American War,

Are you really sure of that?

Before you answer, you might want to check when Forrest died, and google up when the Spanish American war was fought, and then perhaps you can explain why you think the US Army would want to give command to a corpse that had been buried for over 20 years.

21 posted on 02/19/2006 4:01:49 PM PST by PAR35
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To: SunkenCiv
Fort Pillow, site of the massacre that stained Forrest's reputation forever.

I took a trip Ft. Pillow, because I specifically wanted to know what transpired. The fort is very small, maybe 100 yards in length and width, and constructed with an earthenworks wall. At the rear is a very steep dropoff to what was the Mississippi River, but it has since changed course.

Forrest sized up the situation instantly, and had his troops approach the earthen works from one side, and then they spread out across the base. Snipers were deployed to make the Union troops keep their heads down.The Union troops could aim their rifles down because the earthen works were approximately 6 to 8 feet wide at the top. When the order was given to charge the Union troops panicked when the Confederates came over the top, and most ran down the steep embankment. The few that remained did not have time to surrender.

Forrest also set up two ambushes on the riverbank at the base of the cliff. When the Union troops came down they ran first into one ambush, and then when they saw the problem ran the opposite direction into the other ambush. I suspect the whole event didn't last more than 5 to 10 minutes at most.
22 posted on 02/19/2006 4:02:36 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

I"m glad I have the Wyeth book then. What impressed me is that it is entirely based on original documents, primarily detailed letters to Wyeth by men who served with NBF.


23 posted on 02/19/2006 4:38:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: GarySpFc
CORRECTION- This should read:

The Union troops could NOT aim their rifles down because the earthen works were approximately 6 to 8 feet wide at the top.
24 posted on 02/19/2006 6:56:48 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: vetvetdoug
Most historians are unaware of what transpired in West Tennessee toward the end of the Civil War and through reconstruction. During the war Confederate soldiers were tortured and murdered by local Union Cavalry.

Likewise, historians are largely unaware of what happened in East Tennessee at the hands of the Confederates during the war. There was a similar act of barbarism north of Cleveland, Tennessee where a pack of savage rebs in Wheeler's wake cut the eyeballs out of a living man and then had some deranged sport with him as he was trying to run away blind.

The Confederates politicians forced secession on Tennessee and the war was one long oppression of the East Tennessee Unionist majority until the US Army and the local people drove out the Confederates. After the war, the tables were turned and the loyal East got to run things. The animal brutality on both sides was indefensible, but the suffering started in loyal East Tennessee at the hands of the Confederates. The rebs let the genie of anarchy out of the bottle.

25 posted on 02/20/2006 3:00:31 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: SmithL
Ashdown and Caudill point out that Tennessee, like the rest of the defeated South, was a society that had collapsed into lawlessness. In many places, returning Confederate soldiers formed vigilante committees to keep the peace.

To be more precise, the western 2/3s of the state was defeated. East Tennessee wasn't defeated. We were with the Union all the way. And we ran the state after the war under the great Parson Brownlow without the military rule the rest of the South had earned. So it is not really accurate to say the the Klan arose to drive out the perfidious Yankee. The Klan rose to combat a civil government of Tennesseans.


Governor William G. Brownlow

26 posted on 02/20/2006 3:11:22 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: stainlessbanner
The one thing I didn't like about Guns of the South was the portrayal of Forrest. He was not the absolute racist that Turtledove projected. But most writings on Forrest have not been accurate, like the myth's of Ft. Pillow.
27 posted on 02/20/2006 6:21:13 AM PST by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: smug

I agree. There is an exchange between Rhoodie and Gen. Lee where Lee acknowledges Forrest's superior fighting ability, but "can't speak of his other qualities" (or something to that effect). Lee essentially notes that Forrest doesn't fight under Lee's army.


28 posted on 02/20/2006 6:40:41 AM PST by stainlessbanner (Downhome Dixie)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Likewise, historians are largely unaware of what happened in East Tennessee at the hands of the Confederates during the war. There was a similar act of barbarism north of Cleveland, Tennessee where a pack of savage rebs in Wheeler's wake cut the eyeballs out of a living man and then had some deranged sport with him as he was trying to run away blind.

Source please?
29 posted on 02/20/2006 7:45:23 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc
Source please?

History of the Rebellion in Bradley County, East Tennessee written in 1866. The book contains the text of an affidavit given on 4/15/1864 to Bradley County Justice of the Peace John Stanfield by three women who were nearby.

The event took place on 9/27/1863. Wheeler and his staff were relaxing at the ladies' house while the murder took place in the nearby woods. The bushwhackers killed an old Union man and his son. The old man was merely shot, but the women heard the most horrible screams of pain from the woods. After the screaming ceased they heard nothing for a moment and then four or five shots rang out. After Wheeler left and the women felt safe, they went out to search the woods. They met the young man's wife who was also looking for him. When they found the man, his eyeballs and eyelids had been cut off. The women looked for the mutilated eyes but couldn't find them. It seems that one of the rebs had taken them as a trophy and proudly displayed them to his mother who was a virulent rebel herself. .

30 posted on 02/20/2006 9:59:10 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I'm shocked, and wonder if the story can be verified any other way, because Wheeler was not known for that kind of conduct.


31 posted on 02/20/2006 10:05:48 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: stainlessbanner

After his surrender, when asked by a Union Officer who he thought his greatest general was, General Robert E. Lee replied, "Sir, a gentleman I have never had the pleasure to meet, General Nathan Bedford Forrest."


32 posted on 02/20/2006 10:06:59 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc
I had thought more of Wheeler myself. It was Wheeler who served in the Soanish-American war.

The bushwackers were not part of Wheeler's command and from the statement of the women, he did not order it. But from what I read in the book, the women thought that Wheeler found the incident rather humorous and did nothing to prevent it.

There was a lot of trash traveling in the wake of both armies.

33 posted on 02/20/2006 10:11:33 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: smug
Not only was Forrrest not a racist, but he was a man far ahead of his time.

At a time when the northern states were passing laws 'forbidding' blacks to live in their territories, Bedford Forrest publicly, and at great personal risk defended the civil rights of the black people.

Forrest said there was no reason black people could not be doctors, store clerks, bankers, or in any other jobs 'equal' to whites. He said they were skilled artisans and needed to be employed in those skills so that successive 'black' generations would not be dependent on a welfare society. (Forrest was a man of vision).

To prove his point, when he organized the Memphis & Selma Railroad, Forrest took it upon himself to hire blacks as architects, construction engineers, foremen, train engineers, conductors, and many other high level jobs, not just laborer positions. (The first affirmative action).

The Independent Order of Pole Bearers Association (a forerunner of the NAACP), invited General Forrest, the first white man ever invited, to speak at their convention on July 5, 1875. During his speech, too much applause, Bedford said: "I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man - to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going." Forrest went on to say, "I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief."

Whereupon N. B. Forrest thanked Miss Lewis for the bouquet of flowers and then gave her a kiss on the cheek. Such a kiss was unheard of in the society of those days, in 1875, but it showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote racial harmony among the citizens of Memphis.

General Nathan Bedford Forrest - the first true civil rights leader

34 posted on 02/20/2006 10:15:14 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: GarySpFc

bump for later


35 posted on 02/20/2006 10:19:06 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: PAR35

Well if I am in error about Forrest, then my apologies, however I know that there was one of the former CSA generals that the US wanted to lead troops during the Spanish American War. Forrest may have been offered a chance to lead troops against the Indians during the American Indian Wars but I DO know he decline the offer.


36 posted on 02/20/2006 4:53:38 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Liberals and rust, a gun's only natural enemies.)
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To: Colt .45

You may be thinking of one of the other calvary greats of the War, Fighting Joe Wheeler. During the Spanish American war, he was placed in command of the "Buffalo Soldiers" - the Black 10th Calvary, among others, (in addition to being the deputy corps commander, he commanded the calvary division and was responsible for the center of the American lines) that took San Juan Hill.

His famous quote from that battle was a call to his troops, "Let's go, Boys! We've got the damn Yankees on the run again…"


37 posted on 02/20/2006 5:51:51 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Neo-confederates are always falsely stating America never fought a "Civil War" which of course is another lie from that camp of disinformation.

I wonder what their countering comments will be on this little quote:

"Civil war, such as you have just passed through, naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge."

Stated by none other than Lieutenant-General, Nathan Bedford Forrest, Gainesville, Ala., May 9th, 1865. (Forrest's Final Address To His Troops)

38 posted on 02/21/2006 4:41:15 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: wardaddy
actually NBF was "in the klan" for less than 6 months.and he was NOT a "founder".

when he discovered that it was NOT to be a "guerrilla army, whose SOLE mission was to continue the war against the union", he LEFT.

free dixie,sw

39 posted on 02/21/2006 8:55:49 AM PST by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: GarySpFc
it cannot be verified because it did NOT happen.

it's just another LIE, propounded by the LEFT & south-HATERS.

believe anything that the "colonel" says at your risk.

free dixie,sw

40 posted on 02/21/2006 8:59:31 AM PST by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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