Posted on 02/08/2006 5:18:46 AM PST by mcg2000
"Don't make yourself look dumb accusing others of not understanding something."
"I merely intended to point out that belittling one's opponent in place of factual argument is counterproductive."
No shi'ite.
Agreed. It was not a touchdown.
Come on, you're defending the personal foul call on Hasselbeck? We're supposed to at least pretend we're trying to be objective when we defend our teams. Well, anyway it's been fun visiting Steeler Nation but I have to take off for the day. Have fun all.
Yes. Why didn't the official call it then, instead of waiting for Ben to pull the ball back from where it had slipped and place it over the line?
I don't doubt the ball crossed the plane IN THE AIR. It's the official's failure to immediately and authoritatively signal, plus Ben's moving the ball after the fact, that muddied the waters.
The questionable calls:-- Replays on the offensive interference call showed that Jackson's arms made contact with Pittsburgh's Chris Hope and that they separated afterward. Under the rules, pass interference took place but sometimes the call isn't made.
-- The first TD of the game scored on a third-down rollout by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger late in the first half. Roethlisberger appeared to come down short of the goal line, but it was unclear on replay whether he had gotten the ball to the line before going down. Referee Bill Leavy upheld the call because there was not enough incontrovertible evidence to overturn it.
-- Holding call on Sean Locklear in the fourth: Locklear's penalty erased an 18-yard completion from Matt Hasselbeck to Jerramy Stevens to the Pittsburgh 1 that would have put the Seahawks in position to go ahead 17-14 with around 12 minutes left. It was a close call that was difficult to see on replay.
-- One call that clearly appeared erroneous came after that penalty, when Hasselbeck threw an interception to Pittsburgh's Ike Taylor, then made the tackle but was called for a block below the waist, giving the Steelers an extra 15 yards. They scored soon afterward on a pass from Antwaan Randle El to Hines Ward. Replays showed Hasselbeck never made contact with the player he was supposed to have hit illegally, instead going straight to Taylor to make the tackle.
The Super Bowl crew headed by Leavy was comprised of officials who graded out best at each position during the regular season.
I do agree that the call on Hasslebeck was a bad one.
One more thing: Did you guys know that the official who kicked this whole thing off with the "I-can-technically-get-away-with-calling-this-so-I-will-and-besides-the-Steeler-is-asking-me-to" pass interference call on Darrell Jackson is a Pittsburgh native? I'm sure the guy didn't have a preference for who won the game though...just a little bit of Super Bowl XL* trivia.
As much as I like merit recognition of individuals, they really should keep officiating crews together for the playoffs.
Yeah. He broke the plane. The ball didn't.
It's no big deal, though. The Steelers would have won anyway.
Ha! That was so blatantly offensive pass interference that they ought to use film of it when training officials the types of things they should be flagging os offensive pass interference. What really should be chafing you is that Jackson probably didn't need to push off, but cheating is cheating, and the penalty was correctly called.
Blatant? Only a fellow Steelers fan trying to wash the taint off this victory would agree with you.
Yes, blatant. He clearly put a hand in the chest of the defender and used that to create separation. That is, by definition, offensive pass interference. Doing it in the end zone and right in front of the ref just made it all the easier to call.
Blatant? Yep. I agree. He clearly pushed off and created separation. Would every official call it? Perhaps not. But it was, by definition, a penalty.
Oh, and by the way, had it been called against my team, I would have grumbled for about 5 seconds, admitted it was the right call, and gotten on with life -- I've done so on many a call over the years, so I'm not "just saying that". I certainly wouldn't be whining about it three days later.
Oops, you're right. I stated it incorrectly. Here's the correction:
"the touchdown was made with the ball breaking the plane in the air."
Furthermore, mcg2000, at the start of this thread, has an excellent picture of the ball breaking the plane as Ben landed.
Yes, I am. Defending the rules is the definition of "objective." It's a dumb rule, I've said thrice now. But if it is going to be called against us in the regular season, it should be called in the playoffs, too.
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That's the rule. I disagree with the rule but the rule as called in the SB is exactly how it was called against Pitt in Indy (by Leavy's crew BTW) and the next week against Pitt again when Cinci intercepted the ball. I hate the rule, I think it's poorly written because it ignores the idea that a tackler might need to go through a blocker to make a tackle, but that's the rule and it was called according to the rule.
You would say it was a good call even though the only people on the planet that agreed with you were the fans of the opposing team? Somehow I doubt it.
Yes, it was a good call. I may be in the minority here, but I've been saying for years that the officials need to do a better job in calling offensive pass interference more often. I'm certainly not going to criticize an official who actually calls one correctly.
The Steeler wasn't "asking" him to. In one of the replays you can see the ref and he was clearly reaching for the flag as soon as the push happened but missed, first he got nothing then he came up with the blue turn over beanbag (you can see the blue hanging below his hand as he starts the throw before he spots the blue and reverses motion), then he finally came up with the flag. If he's have actually gotten his flag on the first grab it would have been in the air before Jackson caught the ball, but he missed. And so what if he's from Pitt? I'm from Arizona and hate the Cardinals, where someone lives or is born doesn't necessarily dictate their favorite team or even if they have a favorite.
See "Tuck Rule" Patriots-Raiders circa 2002
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