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Refs were far from Super in this one
msn sports ^ | 2.06.2006 | Kevin Hench / FOXSports.com

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:50:28 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican

This is the space where I get to crow about the frightening precision of my Super Bowl prediction.

Where I get to remind everyone that I guaranteed the Steelers would win the title after they beat the Colts. That they were the only championship-caliber team among the final four. That they would dismantle the Broncos in Denver and waylay whomever the NFC sent at them.

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I've never felt so empty being right. I feel dirty. I wish I'd been wrong. The Steelers did not deserve to win this game. They were not the better team. O'Connor was right. Seattle was the better team.

So, Paul Tagliabue, how does a team lose when it outgains an opponent by 57 yards, controls time of possession and wins the turnover battle?

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Every single questionable, marginal or outright bad call went against the Seahawks....

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To: Echo Talon
Thats something we could probably all agree on.

Amen to that.

161 posted on 02/06/2006 8:12:11 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: Tallguy
I would also do away with the "ground can't cause a fumble" rule. If you don't have the ball put away...tough. Part of the problem is that the NFL rules are so subject to interpretation.

You're right about that. I'd like to see the bizarro rules for what comprises "possession" on a pass reception go away.

162 posted on 02/06/2006 8:13:38 AM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: steelcurtain
AMEN!!! Aaron Neville could have been strangling a cat, for all I know. Wow.

the look on the players faces during the anthem was funny. :) its seemed like they were thinking WTF?

163 posted on 02/06/2006 8:15:06 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: TheBigB

Nope. The officiating sucked. If we just "get over it" the NFL will continue to use part time officials that are mucking up the game. FWIW, I live in Texas, never Washington or PA, couldn't care less about either team. Referees changed the game with bad calls. This needs to turn into a full-blown public relations nightmare for the NFL. They have GOT to get decent, full-time officials, and quit making the referee job something a high school teacher does on the weekends. 2.5 mil for a commercial, and they can't afford a full-time person to call the game?


164 posted on 02/06/2006 8:16:14 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: Tallguy

Oh I agree. But in most cases, the WR and the defender are tight and a littel chuck is lonst in the mass of humanity. In this case the two players made a nice capital H. Where DJ's arm can be clearly seen pushing the defender.

Either you allow pushing off, or you don't. This one was blatently obvious, and should have been called. Those who are saying it was a bum call are saying the rules written down for the game should be ignored. I'd rather EVERY rule be called, otherwise the NFL will turn into the NBA where you can pretty much walk from one end of the court to the other without dribbling, depending on the name on the back of your jersey.


165 posted on 02/06/2006 8:16:16 AM PST by SengirV
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To: Echo Talon

BTW... I wish the entire NFL rulebook were available on the web. The "digest" posted on NFL.com that you linked to is woefully incomplete...


166 posted on 02/06/2006 8:16:36 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: Terabitten

his left elbow was down before the elbow with the ball hit the
ground. hes was down when the first elbow touched. if not he was down as soon as that elbow hits the ground since he was touched by the opposing team on his way down. And ground cant cause a fumble


167 posted on 02/06/2006 8:18:31 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: kevkrom
BTW... I wish the entire NFL rulebook were available on the web. The "digest" posted on NFL.com that you linked to is woefully incomplete...

I agree, they should have the entire rulebook posted on nfl.com in pdf form, I agree since the rules change so much they should give the fans access the complete rule book.

168 posted on 02/06/2006 8:20:40 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Wristpin

"The ref didn't signal touchdown until after he ran forward and saw where where Ben had scooted the ball forward after he was down."

Bull****. You actually think the ref didn't see him move the ball after he was down? Ridiculous. The replay shows the end of the ball going over the white line. Seattle fans just don't want to see it. Btw, I am a not a Steeler or Seahawks fan.


169 posted on 02/06/2006 8:21:52 AM PST by BadAndy (The DemocRATs are the enemy's most effective weapon.)
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To: trubluolyguy

what about the 4 dropped passes by Stevens? What about the other 2 touchdowns the Hawks didn't stop? What about the Hasselback fumble that they gave him back because he was barely touched by Larry Foote? What about the 2 field goals they missed?

There are plenty of reasons the Seahawks lost that game legitimately. Fewer reason why they should have won. Including the final score.


170 posted on 02/06/2006 8:22:04 AM PST by jw777
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To: Echo Talon

What are you talking about? I was speaking in general terms, not about any specific play.


171 posted on 02/06/2006 8:22:17 AM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Richard Kimball
They have GOT to get decent, full-time officials, and quit making the referee job something a high school teacher does on the weekends.

The use of part-time officials is one big thing the NFL has gotten right over the years. I can't say for sure, but I suspect that there has never been a "high school teacher" working as an on-field NFL official in decades. The NFL insists on using part-time officials who are typically highly-respected, well-paid executives from Monday to Friday. They do this because a guy who is a regional vice president for Exxon/Mobil or Citicorp is far less likely to throw a game for gamblers than a high school gym teacher.

172 posted on 02/06/2006 8:23:01 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: jw777
There are plenty of reasons the Seahawks lost that game legitimately.

Including their horrendous clock management. Does anybody in the NFL understand how to manage the clock inside two minutes anymore?

173 posted on 02/06/2006 8:23:15 AM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: R. Scott

Not "clearly" - my own exhaustive TiVo review concluded that was his shirt sleeve, not the ball.


174 posted on 02/06/2006 8:24:09 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: Junior_G
That angle is worthless to try to determine if the ball was over the goal line.

The QB's elbow is in front of his left hand. This left thumb is butted up against the goal line. This means his right elbow is on the goal line. The football is nestled in his right forearm...result TD.

175 posted on 02/06/2006 8:24:52 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: Alberta's Child
The use of part-time officials is one big thing the NFL has gotten right over the years. I can't say for sure, but I suspect that there has never been a "high school teacher" working as an on-field NFL official in decades. The NFL insists on using part-time officials who are typically highly-respected, well-paid executives from Monday to Friday. They do this because a guy who is a regional vice president for Exxon/Mobil or Citicorp is far less likely to throw a game for gamblers than a high school gym teacher.

You've got a good point in terms of corruption, however, the rules have gotten so Byzantine that I wonder how well the part-time refs can really keep up with it. For example, the NFL made the "horse collar" tackle illegal this year. In the first two or three weeks of the game, I must've seen that penalty called a half-dozen times. Last night, I saw three horse-collar tackles that were uncalled. The problem is the rulebook, not the refs.

176 posted on 02/06/2006 8:25:59 AM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Junior_G
The cameras that were at the goal line did not show the ball breaking the plane.

They absolutely did. Watch the replay.

177 posted on 02/06/2006 8:26:14 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: Terabitten

that was pretty bad. they should have used the stupid time out.


178 posted on 02/06/2006 8:26:57 AM PST by jw777
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To: the OlLine Rebel

From what I saw about half the ball was over the plane before he was down. Some of the Seattle fans may be drinking too much fancy coffee.


179 posted on 02/06/2006 8:27:07 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: z3n
One or two charge, block, over-the-back, or a few similar calls under the basket basically tell one team that they can no longer be agressive in scoring and rebounding. The opponent (the ones who receive benefit from the calls) know it too, and become free to be even more agressive. It happens nearly every game I watch, and usually in the last 5mins of a half.

I remember watching a Madden/Summerall telecast of an Eagles game. There was a bang-bang play that might have been called PI by the ref, but it was let go. Eric Allen, then an All-Pro corner from the Eagles, saw the play happen right in front of him while standing on the Eagles sideline. Madden said, "And don't you think that Eric Allen isn't taking notes on the sideline on that play." Indeed, I think Allen broke up several passes that day and had an INT to boot.

Point is the refs do send messages, intentional or not, about what they will & won't tolerate. All you can ask is for consistancy.

180 posted on 02/06/2006 8:29:14 AM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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