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"Let's see: Lee Roy Jordan played in six pro bowls, had over 1,200 combined tackles, 743 solo tackles, recorded 21 combined tackles in a single game, yeah, doesn't sound like anything special. BTW, if Harris and Waters were mediocre, how come more members of the "great defensive line" that propped them up never made it into the hall?"

Maybe you make a case for Jordan. Howley's borderline.

Harris and Waters WERE mediocre. Too slow, and not hard tacklers.

Don't ask me why Too Tall, Harvey Martin, Jethro Pugh, Randy White(?) aren't in. But Lilly's in. Is Renfro?

My theory is that the Tom Landry and his coaches were ahead of their time and deserve MUCH of the credit for the Cowboy's success.

Much like the Vikings front four of Eller, Page, Larsen, and Marshall, and able LB corp made heroes out of the Vikes mediocre secondary, so it was with Dallas'.

Two best secondary's ever, imo:

Chief's late 60s, and the Steelers late 70s. Honorable mention to the Raiders @late 60/early 70s.

Best D ever: 1985 Bears.

Re: Harris and Waters WERE mediocre. Too slow, and not hard tacklers.

Hey F16, you picked the wrong weekend to start sniffing glue...

Cliff Harris was a terrific tackler and had the nickname "Capt Crash!" Charlie Waters was not far behind. You must have been talking about Marvin Harris and James Waters that played on the San Antonio Toros...