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Star search: Why so few Cowboys in Hall?
The Dallas Morning sNoozs ^ | Sunday, January 29, 2006 | BRAD TOWNSEND

Posted on 01/29/2006 9:31:40 AM PST by Bender2

Star search: Why so few Cowboys in Hall?

By Brad Townsend

Many Cowboys fans are among the suspicious. They believe that only bias and conspiracy can explain the relatively paltry number of Cowboys in the Hall of Fame. No franchise has won more playoff games (32) or played in more Super Bowls (eight), and only one other team has won as many championships (five). But only five Cowboys players are in the Hall.

No Cowboy has been elected since Mel Renfro in 1996, but that could change Saturday. Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin and Rayfield Wright are among the 15 finalists. Bylaws dictate that three to six former players get elected annually.

The conspiracy theory isn't limited to fans. Even selectors talk about it.

"Yeah, of course people have had bias against the Cowboys ever since the America's Team [expletive]," says Sports Illustrated senior writer Paul Zimmerman, a longtime Hall voter.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bowl; cowboys; cowboyssuck; dallas; dallascowboys; fame; football; hall; mikecrackheadirvin; nfl; of; pro; super
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To: big'ol_freeper; F16Fighter
It's changed pretty dramatically in the last ten years, but the Cowboys up until around 96 were consistently rated (yes, the NFL checks this stuff) as both the most loved and hated team in the NFL. During their ninties success stint, they sold more apparel than any other team, and, IIRC, nearly twice as much as the next most popular team, and as much as the entire bottom half of the league (It's been over ten years since I read the article, but the numbers were pretty impressive). The Cardinals hated them because the only time they sold out a home game was against the Cowboys, and the Cowboys would have as many fans as the Cardinals did. They had a run of something like six years where they sold out every home and away game. Even in New York, you would hear the Moose call when Daryl Johnson got a carry. Other teams hated the Cowboys because they had fans in every stadium.

One guy on the thread hated the Cowboys because of the Vikings loss in 75, the Packers hated the Cowboys because they put them out of the playoffs three straight times in the ninties, the Steelers hate O'Donnell more than they hate the Cowboys, the 49ers have actually lost more title games to the Cowboys than they've won.

As I noted earlier, though, several Cowboys players aren't counted because they made their names with other teams. I also think the Hall of Fame has kind of an affirmative action policy. A good player on a team that hasn't had success is going to get in faster than a player on a team that already has representatives.

During the sixties-seventies, there was definitely a prejudice against the south and west in the NFL. Except for the 49ers and Rams (49ers started in All-American Football League and Rams moved from Cleveland), there wasn't an NFL team west of Chicago/Green Bay or south of the Mason-Dixon line. The NFL only expanded because of pressure from the AFL (the Cowboys, Saints, Vikings and Falcons were created to keep the AFL from getting market share, not because the NFL wanted them). For the first about fifteen years after the expansion, there was definitely a northeastern slant to both the officiating and the commentating.

121 posted on 01/29/2006 11:48:19 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: Bender2

I'm sure the NFL would like to see the franchise succeed in that market.


122 posted on 01/29/2006 11:49:14 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Bender2

I don't know why but it seems like there were more big throws in the NFL when I was younger.


123 posted on 01/29/2006 11:50:04 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Bender2
"Cliff Harris was a terrific tackler and had the nickname 'Capt Crash!'"

Too bad the "crash" took place 20 yards downfield, with the back or receiver often bouncing OFF his "hit."

Waters?? Deked way too much, hung on for dear life, and was SLOW.

These are MY memories.

If you stuck these two on any other NFL team with no pass rush and average LBs, they'd have been even MORE mediocre and beaten long ALL DAY.

124 posted on 01/29/2006 11:54:03 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Richard Kimball
Re: ...hated the Cowboys because they had fans in every stadium.

Your entire post is right on, Doc. BTW did you ever catch that one-armed 49ers fan?

125 posted on 01/29/2006 11:55:36 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: infidel29
Emmitt was in on the first day of his retirement IMO

Yep.

126 posted on 01/29/2006 11:55:50 AM PST by Wolfstar (Someday when we meet up yonder, we'll stroll hand in hand again, in a land that knows no parting...)
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To: mainepatsfan
Re: I don't know why but it seems like there were more big throws in the NFL when I was younger.

Gad! You should have been around when the AFL started up in the early 1960s! They were as pass happy as could be...

127 posted on 01/29/2006 11:58:38 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: Bender2

Back off slick. The post I was responding too did not include ANYTHING to do with the Super Bowl. It showed teams records in NFL/NFC Championship games (Cowboys 8-8). I was questioning what that had to do with the topic at hand. Seems it is more likely you who has been indulging in the funny stuff considering you are flying off the handle without even knowing what people are talking about.


128 posted on 01/29/2006 12:00:47 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
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To: F16Fighter
Re: F16's These are MY memories.

Well... They do say too many gees will affect your memory.

129 posted on 01/29/2006 12:03:17 PM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Re: I am neutral about the Cowboys... and ...you are flying off the handle...

I find your 'neutrality' highly suspect as all you have done is trash the Cowboys and you started 'flying off the handle' because the DMN article said, "...only one other team has won as many championships (five)."

Now, we can all agree to disagree, but don't tell me to back off or accuse others of 'flying off the handle' when all anyone has to do is read the words you have posted.

You don't like the Cowboys and that's okay. You want to split hairs... Okay again.

Just don't throw stones when you live in a glass house... And it is there for all to see!

BTW It would be a dull football season if we all rooted for the same team...

130 posted on 01/29/2006 12:14:40 PM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: Bender2
The only thing I have discovered on this thread is you are totally paranoid and have a big time persecution complex. Whether you back off or not does not concern me, as I'm not going to waste my time on a sniveler.
131 posted on 01/29/2006 12:22:18 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Fun Neee!
132 posted on 01/29/2006 12:25:26 PM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
And, Normy, it looks like he cannot read his own posts, either!
133 posted on 01/29/2006 12:27:41 PM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: infidel29

The way I've always heard it is that NFL Films noticed wherever they went, there were a large number of people wearing Cowboys attire. No matter which stadium they were at, Cowboys clothes-wearing people were there. It got NFL Films wondering about that. They looked at NFL Properties and found that the Dallas Cowboys, at the time, was number one in merchandising. Jerseys, hats, trinkets, whatever. Dallas was it. So, when the title of the Cowboys season video was due to be named, they came up with "America's Team". Dallas loved it and everyone else got to hate it.
Contrary to popular belief, Tex Schramm didn't start it. But he loved the name and made a mint off it.


134 posted on 01/29/2006 4:56:19 PM PST by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ELIMINATED.)
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To: Perdogg
pay backs are hell. This season Dallas will pay Houston back.

Nah....it'll never be as bad as losing to a brand new expansion team playing its very first game. And your state rival, to boot.

If Houston does lose this fall, it'll just be a regular season game. ;-)

135 posted on 01/29/2006 9:02:05 PM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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To: Bender2

I think Lincoln Coleman should be in the Hall.


136 posted on 01/30/2006 7:01:56 AM PST by Maximus of Texas (On my signal, unleash hell)
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To: Maximus of Texas
Re: I think Lincoln Coleman should be in the Hall.

Whoa Max... I had to rattle the old gray matter for a moment. Lincoln Coleman, as I recall, was a backup running back for the 1993 Super Bowl squad. He later played in the Arena League for Grand Rapids...

Okay, Max, drop that tongue and step back from your cheek!

137 posted on 01/30/2006 8:10:46 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: NCC-1701
Excellent post and very logical... Now, beam me up.
138 posted on 01/30/2006 8:13:12 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I've had a bias against the Cowboys since Drew Pearson pushed off on Nate Wright in the 1975 NFC Championship Game :)



Me too.

Remember the 70's Guindon cartoon of the woman asking two guys (her husband and son) looking glum on the sofa: "Why do you guys enjoy all the Vikings games except for the last one?"


139 posted on 01/30/2006 9:03:32 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

LOL

Don't recall the cartoon you mention, but it certainly sounds like Guindon's humor!


140 posted on 01/30/2006 9:16:39 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Defeatism may have its partisan uses but it is not justified by the facts.")
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