Posted on 12/16/2005 4:23:29 PM PST by NYer
Pinging post #119 to you--put in "dirty_harry" :^/
"I really don't think we should let this director lead us, like sheeple, into a lot of conversation on something really not that worthy of conversation. Of course, I am taking the bait by participating in this very thread. And it will fill our magazines. Build up to Oscar night. Will be featured all over TV tabloid and soft features on news networks and local stations. I hate letting this crowd set the agenda for the national conversation."
I agree! The plan for the movie is to draw sympathy to those involved in the disordered behavior known as homosexuality. Just as my first accidental glimpse when I was younger of a friend's brother's penthouse left a horrible image in my mind for years, so this movie will affect the thought patterns of all those who see it. Heterosexual women will wonder, "Is my husband/boyfriend capable of a homosexual fling while he's on a hunting/fishing trip?" Even though the immediate answer may be a "no", just the thought is disturbing.
Hopefully, the only ones viewing this movie are the homos who are already disordered in their thinking. The fewer who see it, the better!
LMAO! Almost as disturbing as the movie!
I'm an Idaho boy. There are cowboys and there are sheepherders and they're not interchangeable. There's a good deal of hatred between them for the reason you mention. I'm waiting to hear what the cattle people have to say about this movie. Has Baxter Black written anything about it? I was raised in sheep country and in those days only the ewes had reason to cast fearful backward glances. Now the gay revolution has wormed its way from West Hollywood to Wyoming and even male sheep have reason to be worried.
The name I've heard most often is "Gay Cowboys".
There is no doubt that the USCCB has an ambiguous position on homosexuality, as shown by the ridiculous review and rating of this gay propaganda film. The reviewer should be fired, period.
"Top Gun" wasn't a Gay movie?
I'd call them sheep herders; definitely not cowboys!!!
Not overtly, as far as I can tell. Although there were an inordinately large number of shower scenes.
LOL
Have you read the story from whence the film's script was adapted? Read the story and save yourself the ticket price and the unpleasant viewing experience.
You can find it on the internet, the story by the same name, and the film is a direct representation of the story.
I'm surprised noone has mentioned the Bone Ranger.
If there's a scene of them eating pudding then the whole movie is nothing but a South Park ripoff.
"Oh yes there were and are "sheep-hearding cowboys". And they sure weren't and aren't called "shephards" either.
My Dad and his Dad "ran sheep" most of their lives on their ranch in the San Angelo, TX area. That was big sheep ranching country and wool warehouses were numerous.
I should write a book........"
I'm glad someone else pointed this out, and yes, you *should* write a book!
I don't know about Texas, but up here in the Northern Rockies region, it is pretty common for large ranches to run both sheep and cattle (although less so than in the past, primarily because of environmentalist restrictions on controlling predators.)
As the old saying used to go, you raise cattle for respectability and sheep to make a living.
A lot is very wrong about this movie (or at least about what I've read about it -- I won't go see it). One thing is the idea that two guys would go herd sheep in the mountains together. Sheep are grazed in the mountains in bands that are the size that one herder can, with horse and dogs, tend. There is no way that a sheep rancher would pay two guys to herd together. Each would have his own band to care for, far apart. The only person they would see would be a camp-tender bringing supplies and mail every couple of weeks.
Secondly, while cowboys working for big ranches do indeed work both sheep and cattle, most commonly they stayed busy during the summer with cattle and fences and what-not while someone else (even by the 1960's, when the story supposedly takes place, increasingly migrant workers from places like Peru with green cards) did the herding of the sheep in the mountains. The paths would cross most commonly in the winter, when both sheep and cattle are having to be fed daily, and when a lot of labor is needed during calving and lambing seasons alike.
The other thing that makes this so much b***s*** is that Annie Proulx doesn't know crap about Wyoming or any of the rest of us in this region. She was born in Connecticut, and moved to Wyoming when she was (drum roll, please) 60 years old. Brokeback Mountain was a short-story she had written after she had lived in Wyoming, closely observing the natives for (bigger drum-roll please) TWO YEARS! Wow! I'll bet she met plenty of gay cowboys during those two years on which to base this tale... not. This story is a "literary" gay fantasy tale, nothing more.
Proulx is just another in a long line of east coast types who come out West to "play cowboy" and/or exploit the native habitat in one way or another. The only difference between her and the New Yorkers who ran the extraction economies of the West for a hundred years is that those guys didn't pretend to be natives, and were honest about the fact that they were there only to extract as much money as fast as possible.
The modern type comes after having made their money on the coast, and shortly after arrival begins to lecture the locals on what being a westerner is all about (if they acknowledge the existence of the locals at all.) They then proceed to raise wolves and grizzly bears, and vote for Democrats. Pretty depressing, but this is what Proulx is all about -- an imposter-writer who gained prominence on the coasts by pretending to be one of those exotic westerners. I guess everybody needs an angle, if they want to be noticed.
I don't suppose you have anyone like that down there in the Lone Star State, do you?
When you mention San Angelo, I'm reminded of a guy I knew who went to college with someone from the San Angelo area who had grown up on a sheep ranch, but whose family became very wealthy on oil discovered on their land. When he graduated from college, his dad gave him a pair of solid gold cuff-links in the shape of a cluster of sheep turds. His father told him that he expected him to wear these for the rest of his life, so he'd never forget that sheep-ranching was the basis of the family fortune.
We never struck oil, but sheep-ranching was certainly the basis of our little family fortune...
Yeah, Bihsops. Y'all sure have "cleaned-up" your act.
Now, what WOULD be surprising is if Hollywood made a movie about an adolescent male who had been sexually assaulted and sodomized by any male in authority: the young male experienced Hell on Earth; experienced the loss of innocence; experienced the loss of Faith;and, tragically, comitted suicide because he felt he was to blame for the sexual assault.
Will such a movie ever be made? Please. There IS sympathy for the Devil (and his sodomite henchmen) but there is NONE for the victims
And if Hollywood DID make such a movie? Make book the USCCB would denounce it for casting queers in a bad light.
They are not out of touch with Catholic teaching - they are seriously, massively, and mostly clandestinely opposed to it.
And, yes, they thought they could get away with it, because they have been getting away with it for a long, long time.
The American bishops and their supporters have engaged in a multi-decade long effort to a) change the teaching of the Church on homosexuality by b) foreclosing debate about "orientation", c) normalizing "celibate homosexuality", d) covering up in an organized manner the consequences of a sexually active homosexual presbyteriate and e) passively resisting Vatican efforts at change, while working against laity efforts at change by lies and intimidation.
Recently, what TASS would have called the "correlation of forces" has been turning against these apostate bishops and their many supporters, but, yes, they thought it would go under the radar. I don't think they can fold their hand now - things will just have to play out.
"Ennis and Jack's continuing physical relationship is morally problematic."
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First I thought it was the writer and maybe director "poking" fun by using gay characters as the sheep herders but now I am convinced since they gave one of the characters the name Ennis(anus). LOL!
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