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Scientists 'see new species born'
BBC News Online science editor ^ | 2004 June | By Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 11/20/2005 9:27:40 AM PST by restornu

Scientists at the University of Arizona may have witnessed the birth of a new species. Biologists Laura Reed and Prof Therese Markow made the discovery by observing breeding patterns of fruit flies that live on rotting cacti in deserts.

The work could help scientists identify the genetic changes that lead one species to evolve into two species.

The research is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

One becomes two

Whether the two closely related fruit fly populations the scientists studied - Drosophila mojavensis and Drosophila arizonae - represent one species or two is still debated by biologists.

However, the University of Arizona researchers believe the insects are in the early stages of diverging into separate species.

The emergence of a new species - speciation - occurs when distinct populations of a species stop reproducing with one another.

When the two groups can no longer interbreed, they cease exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways becoming separate species. Though speciation is a crucial element of understanding how evolution works, biologists have not been able to discover the factors that initiate the process.

In fruit flies there are several examples of mutant genes that prevent different species from breeding but scientists do not know if they are the cause or just a consequence of speciation.

Sterile males

In the wild, Drosophila mojavensis and Drosophila arizonae rarely, if ever, interbreed - even though their geographical ranges overlap.

In the lab, researchers can coax successful breeding but there are complications.

Drosophila mojavensi s mothers typically produce healthy offspring after mating with Drosophila arizonae males, but when Drosophila arizonae females mate with Drosphila mojavensis males, the resulting males are sterile.

Laura Reed maintains that such limited capacity for interbreeding indicates that the two groups are on the verge of becoming completely separate species.

Another finding that adds support to that idea is that in a strain of Drosophila mojavensis from southern California's Catalina Island, mothers always produce sterile males when mated with Drosophila arizonae males.

Because the hybrid male's sterility depends on the mother's genes, the researchers say the genetic change must be recent.

Reed has also discovered that only about half the females in the Catalina Island population had the gene (or genes) that confer sterility in the hybrid male offspring.

However, when she looked at the Drosophila mojavensi s females from other geographic regions, she found that a small fraction of those populations also exhibited the hybrid male sterility.

The newly begun Drosophila mojavensis genome sequencing project, which will provide a complete roadmap of every gene in the species, will help scientists pin down which genes are involved in speciation.


TOPICS: Education; Science
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evofreak; speciation
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To: RightWhale

Of course, the concept of consciousness is debatable. William James, et al. But how can you say that viruses are not life forms because they might lack consciousness? There must be some current reasoning behind that.


121 posted on 11/20/2005 1:33:43 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: RightWhale

Of course, the concept of consciousness is debatable. William James, et al. But how can you say that viruses are not life forms because they might lack consciousness? There must be some current reasoning behind that.


122 posted on 11/20/2005 1:33:45 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: Lakeshark

That's my life. I am a hn, ae.


123 posted on 11/20/2005 1:35:14 PM PST by phantomworker (A new day! Begin it serenely; with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense!)
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To: nicmarlo
"...since no one was around, it's all theories/speculation."

A scientific theory is not *speculation*. I am sure you have already been told this already. There is no hierarchy from theory to *law*. Theory is the last step.

"Credible science includes the scientific method---the ability for anybody to reproduce the "test" and have the same effect."

That assumes you are not talking about an historical science.
Evolution IS tested though, every time a fossil is exhumed and every time two genomes are compared. Natural selection is tested all the time in the lab, with repeatable results. Common descent is tested and affirmed with tests on ERV's in humans and other primates. You need to brush up on your science education.
124 posted on 11/20/2005 1:37:34 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: phantomworker
Proof. Demanding proof.

:-)

125 posted on 11/20/2005 1:37:42 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Borax Queen
rear spar

sounds more like a sneak attack from a s.s.snake........

126 posted on 11/20/2005 1:39:53 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: phantomworker

From my own perspective, I think it possible that even electrons and protons can carry consciousness. Granted, the consciousness would be undeveloped, but the potential must exist. The complex electric field that our nervous system generates has a basis in the characteristics of the elementary particles. Continuity. But, even trees, lacking a nervous system, do have some ability to respond to stimulae, and can be trained to anticipate.


127 posted on 11/20/2005 1:40:06 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

No I doubt. I don't believe the crap I read in Science Journals, they won't print what scientists report who don't go along with their one way evolution ideas.


128 posted on 11/20/2005 1:41:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: phantomworker

And a late shopper.......


129 posted on 11/20/2005 1:41:07 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark
HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssss HOW'S THAT FOR EVOLVED
130 posted on 11/20/2005 1:42:05 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: nicmarlo

131 posted on 11/20/2005 1:42:16 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Lakeshark; nicmarlo
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
132 posted on 11/20/2005 1:42:43 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: nicmarlo

"No I doubt. I don't believe the crap I read in Science Journals, they won't print what scientists report who don't go along with their one way evolution ideas."

Brilliant rebuttal, filled with deep analysis and penetrating insight. Now, I am sure you can tell us all what these scientists have uncovered that disrupts the science of evolutionary biology. We await with baited breath.


133 posted on 11/20/2005 1:46:00 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Feel free to go argue with the scientists whose works aren't allowed to be printed in Science Journals.


134 posted on 11/20/2005 1:47:00 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

"Feel free to go argue with the scientists whose works aren't allowed to be printed in Science Journals. "

I guess I'll have to, since you have no arguments of your own.


135 posted on 11/20/2005 1:48:28 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

No, I don't participate in these threads because, as far as I'm concerned, you pro-evolution one-wayers are the rudest, most obnoxious, maroons in FR.


136 posted on 11/20/2005 1:49:49 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Borax Queen
Oooooh.....I've missed you........

:-)

137 posted on 11/20/2005 1:50:51 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; nicmarlo; phantomworker; Borax Queen
Proof.

My registration is safe.

138 posted on 11/20/2005 1:54:15 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark
Mmmmmmmmmmmm....but can you prove that is fresh water?
139 posted on 11/20/2005 1:55:05 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: nicmarlo
"No, I don't participate in these threads because, as far as I'm concerned, you pro-evolution one-wayers are the rudest, most obnoxious, maroons in FR."

1) You DO participate on these threads, as you are here right now.


2) Projection is a b&^^h.

3) If you are going to post statements here, be a man and don't run away when someone responds to them. Unless of course you have no rational response.
140 posted on 11/20/2005 1:55:20 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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