Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC

Deseret News ^ | Thursday, November 10, 2005 | Elaine Jarvik

[sgtyork]

You were just so succinct and emphatic. I like your style!

[DoughtyOne]

Such as the entire left... well I'd pretty much have to agree.

[Swordmaker]

Now, I have always felt that the OKC bombing had demolition charges placed on some of the front structural members.

It amazed me at the time how the Ryder truck kept growing in response to the Amonium Nitrate/Fuel Oil explosion critics... even though they knew the make and model of the truck. I agree with you... makes me a "conspiracy nut" too.

[andyk]

someone should beat you with an iron bar for peddling this paranoid rubbish

You're an idiot if you think I'm "peddling" this. Really. Plus, you might not want to go around speaking on Ivan's behalf (since you included his name as a sig). If you've got a problem, I suggest you take it up with the BYU professor, or the Deseret News.

Shame on you for saying that I'm exploiting any honored dead.

[JennysCool]

Thanks! :-)

[HairOfTheDog]

Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.

If they were gonna blow them up with explosives, why did they bother with planes?

[Dashing Dasher]

Pleasure - feel free to steal it anytime!

[andyk]

If you had said the same post to me twice, in person, I would have punched you so hard in the face that you would be screaming for your mother to help you find the remnants of your nose and teeth. Stop urinating on the dead with unadulterated poppycock such as this.

Ivan, you're way off base here. I have done no disservice to the dead. I have illustrated the absurdity of the lengths to which muslim apologists will go to absolve themselves of any responsibility for 9/11.

You have confused me with someone else. But, I will remain at ease, because I value you as a member of the FR.

[andyk]

It's time to shut down this journal. Somebody's got to make a list of these crackpot journals

Not just the Physics journal, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see the Deseret News take a beating for this as well!

[andyk]

If they were gonna blow them up with explosives, why did they bother with planes?

This guy teaches physics at BYU!!

[andyk]

You don't sleep for 6 years and come out with a "hi guys"...

Exactly. This illustrates the absurdity of the lengths to which muslim apologists will go to absolve themselves of any responsibility for 9/11.

[CindyDawg]

Whether there were bombs too or not IMO the planes were for us to watch in horror what was happening. They knew one would be explained away. They choose a time and day for the media to catch it all.

[HairOfTheDog]

There weren't any bombs. It's preposterous.

[CindyDawg]

I don't know. It is possible that the group that were responsible for the planes could have planted bombs too. Whether they did or not....Our experts had nothing to lose by telling us and decided it didn't happen. IMO, What's preposterous is this guy trying to start a conspiracy that someone else was responsible and I guess we can all figure where they want this to go. Why else would a 6 year sleeper be woke?

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't think every crazy idea is worth entertaining...

I'm sorry I gave it the time I have already :~D Nothing personal....

[CindyDawg]

I understand and you don't need to respond and I won't post to you again about this. To me this issue isn't about bombs though, but trying to shift the blame.

[Paleo Conservative]

Well, this is coming from a physics professor of BYU

Well, isn't that the same physics department that "discovered" "cold fusion"?

[andyk]

isn't that the same physics department that "discovered" "cold fusion"?

It might have been. It was definitely a Utah school. I remember the names Fleischman and Pons, but I can't remember if it was BYU. It would certainly make sense...

[Ditto]

This guy is a tenured crack pot. Look him up at BYUs site and see his publications. He's hot on Cold Fusion.

Let's start with this statement.

How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?"

Try a basic physics equation to answer that one.

Energy = Mass x Velocity squared

It was a pancake collapse and as each floor in turn gave way, the mass continually increased. As the mass increased, the energy increased and the velocity also increased. He might also study some engineering and understand the difference between curtain wall construction and conventional box beam construction. The floor below did not hold up the floor above. The walls held each floor independently and each floor was designed to only support it's own weight not the weight of the floor above. There were absolutely no heavy horizontal beams in the WTC. Each floor was supported entirely by the curtain wall and the inner core columns. That's the only way the building could be that high and still have open floors all the way to the top.

Or this one.

Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot.

Total BS. Those buildings were full of furniture, carpeting, and plastics of all sorts, not just paper & steel. Once a flash-over occurs, i.e. the fumes emitted by so-called "nonflammable" hydrocarbon materials that reach combustible concentrations, temperatures easily reach 5000 F. He should have a conversation with his local fire department to find out just how hot fires can get.

Here's another one.

Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.

Has he never see images of an airplane crash. The fire can burn for hours! And if an office fire will burn itself out in 20 minutes, why in the hell does it take fire departments hours to extinguish them?

I remember years ago seeing the results of a paint warehouse fire. The warehouse was directly under a rather large bridge with steel beams as large or larger than anything in the WTC. All that burned was paint but those bridge beams, and the warehouse beams, were twisted like pretzels and the concrete bridge deck had turned to powder.

The only thing I hate more than guys like this are the idiot reporters who are ignorant enough to report nonsense like this without challenge. We need a law that J-school dopes need at least a few courses in the sciences so they may at least not swallow crap like this without asking even one question.

[andyk]

I agree with everything, except that KE = 1/2 MV² :)