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1 posted on 10/16/2005 10:47:26 AM PDT by Westpole
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To: Westpole

Paragraphs are good...


2 posted on 10/16/2005 10:48:22 AM PDT by RWR8189 (George Allen 2008)
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To: Westpole

In case you haven't noticed, the split is not because W made a weak nomination, it is because a group of whiners won't keep their mouths shut about it. It's not the crime, it's the people who caught the crime that are to blame. Or at least that is what I have learned here the last two weeks.


3 posted on 10/16/2005 10:50:31 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Westpole

It's the most idiotic decision President Bush made during his presidency, bringing to mind the danger, common to all presidents, of living in the "presidential bubble." There had to be many people surrounding President Bush who knew this was a terrible choice, who either: 1) Didn't speak up out of sheer fear or careerism (there are stories of Andy Card shouting down dissenters), or 2) Didn't speak up because access to the president was too tightly controlled.

"Judgment" doesn't have an "e." Not a big mistake, because it's the kind of word that looks like it should have a "e" in there.


4 posted on 10/16/2005 11:01:01 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: Westpole
Had Mr. Bush nominated say a leader with centerists or even liberal views the right may have objected but he could claim that "balance" on the court is a an important principal for American stability and his willings to put stability over his party's wishes would have made him look bold and certainly in the media wise.

If you think that the uproar is contentious over Miers is loud, had Bush as you contend, nominated an overt centrist, there would be hell to pay.
Besides, balance would be to add a strong conservative to counter Ginsburg.
5 posted on 10/16/2005 11:02:42 AM PDT by etradervic (I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like...victory.)
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6 posted on 10/16/2005 11:04:39 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Westpole

Headline: Aspiring FR jounalist accuses Meirs of

"...her clandistine leanings..."

That is a new one.


7 posted on 10/16/2005 11:04:48 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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the poor defense of Harriet...and most disturbingly ...the PC kneejerk defense

indicates to me the WH never saw this coming

which makes me wonder...wtf were they thinking?

moderates did not get him elected

we elected him in 2000 for these potential SCOTUS nominations as much as anything else


9 posted on 10/16/2005 11:07:55 AM PDT by wardaddy (Peace and love and warm hugs to everyone...sandalwood and patchouli too)
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What is it about Mier's Nomination that Weaken's Bush

Back to apostrophe school with you. Both of them are wrong.

13 posted on 10/16/2005 11:10:24 AM PDT by ValerieUSA
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I disagree.

IMHO, the underlying source of the problem is that a large number of conservatives are spoiling for a fight. Since we have a superficial "Republican" majority in congress, they think it's time to take the fight to the enemy.

That would mean nominating an in-your-face conservative. Someone who will guarantee a knock-down drag-out fight with the democrats.

I'm pretty sure we would lose that fight. The Dems and their media allies would have a golden chance to paint us as extreme in the process, and many of the "swing" voters in the country would believe them.

We could easily lose Congress and the White House as a result. Is that really what people want?

We are in a WAR with people on the left that I consider evil. But the way you win a WAR is by picking and choosing the time and place for your battles. If you charge blindly ahead on a battlefield of your enemy's choosing, YOU LOSE.


14 posted on 10/16/2005 11:11:37 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: Westpole
Bush either bought Miers from someone else or he came up with it all by himself.

Either way, it is a huge blunder. Somehow he has gotten the mistaken idea that conservatives could be led by the nose as easily as republicans. That was a huge mistake.

Bush has now opened the door to a possible loss of the House in 06. Whether Miers is confirmed or not, the republican party has lost.

15 posted on 10/16/2005 11:14:32 AM PDT by cynicom
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The President Bush has NOT blundered badly with the nomination of Harriet Miers. The bluestate elites have blundered badly. I do believe that most of the arguments that have been posed about Harriet Miers have come across as elitist.


16 posted on 10/16/2005 11:17:03 AM PDT by FreeRep
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So what Mr. Bush has done is force both sides to wonder which leader this follower will follow.

Just as Ike did with Earl Warren, Reagan with Kennedy and O'Conner, Bush 41 with Souter, we all know how important it is for a president to pick somone based on a nominees reputation rather than a presidents personal experience with a nominee. The reputation method has worked well give the court such a liberal tradition.

Can you imagine the BRASS of BUSH 43 actually appointing someone he knows well and has worked with for 10 years.

Just think he could have followed the Eisenhower, Reagan, Bush41 model and appointed an Earl Warren, O'Conner, Kennedy or Souter.

The media thinks a lot of peopl on the right are stupid. They must have experience with them...


19 posted on 10/16/2005 11:28:51 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Westpole
I'm sorry, but I couldn't read your post. With no paragraphs, punctuation and spelling errors it was hurting my eyes.

So I did the best I could to make sense of it. If you're offended, oh well, have a nice day anyway.


President Bush has blundered badly with the nomination of Harriet Miers.

It isn't just the profound split within the Republican Party that is damaging. The presidency itself is weakened because his judgment is now doubted within his own camp.

The Democrats always doubted his judgment, indeed his intellect. Now the same doubts are being expressed on the right. What is it about this nomination that can so undermine the presidency? The main problem with Ms. Miers nomination can be summed up simply - she is a "weak sister".

People respect bold action even when they don't agree with it. The Democrats mostly voted for the war in Iraq even though they opposed it. A bold move by a President will usually be deferred to. But there is nothing bold in this nomination. The very character of the nominee that is emerging is that of a follower not a leader.

Some may believe the strength of the opposition to Miers comes from people with misgivings about her views on Roe or her clandestine leanings on any number of other issues. But that is not what is giving the Bush presidency problems. Mr. Bush could have gone in one of two other directions;

  1. If he nominated a conservative intellectual leader the right would have cheered and the left would have played the same cards they have over other conservative judicial nominees. Their opposition would only have made the President look stronger not weaker.
  2. Had Mr. Bush nominated say a leader with centrists or even liberal views the right may have objected but he could claim that "balance" on the court is a an important principal for American stability and his willings to put stability over his party's wishes would have made him look bold and certainly in the media wise.
In either case the president would be a bold thoughtful leader but Mr. Bush did neither. He nominated a camp follower, a weak sister whose best quality is her loyalty to him. If confirmed the Democrats would hope the loyalty was binding as long as it was convenient. Whereas the right would hope she would just follow Justices Scalia and Thomas. So what Mr. Bush has done is force both sides to wonder which leader this follower will follow.

No one is comfortable with making that speculation for a justice of the Supreme Court. And everyone senses a missed opportunity to increase the intellectual heft of decision making in the country's only forum for which there is no appeal.

20 posted on 10/16/2005 11:31:33 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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What is it about Mier's Nomination that Weaken's Bush

Nice try however poor implementation.

If you go to the DU implementation will not be a concern and you will be held with high honors.

47 posted on 10/16/2005 1:30:10 PM PDT by EGPWS
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The presidency itself is weakened because his judgement is now doubted within his own camp.

Well to be precise by some in his own camp.

50 posted on 10/16/2005 2:01:03 PM PDT by GeorgeBerryman
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Stories and posts that begin with, "President Bush has blundered badly with the nomination of Harriet Miers" have weakened Bush.
59 posted on 10/16/2005 2:47:35 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Westpole

I have come to believe that the general discussion has changed from liberal vs conservative to gradations of conservatism.

This takes liberal issues off the table and allows the spectrum of conservative thought to be put on display. This is good.

I think of the Zell Miller democrats. They think they are democrats even though they really aren't. The leftwing hijackers have stolen their party away.

With the discussion limited to various aspects of conservatism, they should be able to pick and choose enough positive things they agree with to switch.

It's a good thing.


63 posted on 10/16/2005 3:02:48 PM PDT by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Chicken spit causes flu....... Fox News)
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