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Whining about Miers.

Posted on 10/08/2005 9:52:18 AM PDT by Allen H

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To: Iconoclast2

Janice Rogers Brown was my first choice but I trust President Bush. All the moaning and bitching and claims that "these so called conservatives will never vote Republican again" ... so don't. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Talk about being "stuck on stupid".

I am tired of Freepers that can't wait to throw GWB over the wall at the first sign of any conflict. We want the senators to show some guts, but when the first volley is fired, the weak kneed Freepers run for cover.

Go ahead, flame away.


21 posted on 10/08/2005 10:21:22 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Allen H

The Miers pick is the fulfillment of a promise made to the CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE portion of W's base.
The fallout, therefrom, cleves along spiritual, not intellectual lines.


22 posted on 10/08/2005 10:22:55 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Allen H
Basically, it's the liberal Republicans' fault that Bush picked Miers? So, because of the fear that the liberal Republicans in the senate couldn't be counted on, Bush had to pick a litmus-test-Christian-conservative? Good try.

Bush has not earned the right to say, "trust me."

1) He didn't keep his word on embryonic stem cells and created a market in embryos, which is what the culture of death wants.

2) Bush signed McCain/Feingold. His conservative princpled stand rested on hoping the Supreme Court would do what he was afraid to do - kill it.

3) Bush has yet to oppose a dime in socialism.

4) Bush is proud of recruiting Kennedy to write his education bill.

5) Bush created a whole new entitlement - prescription drugs. It wasn't something he was pressured into, either. It's passed and signed but no one wants it.

Some argue that it is the president's choice to pick whomever he will nominate. Not true. He is there to represent the people who put him there and to uphold the constitution. Republicans never should've voted for Ginsberg based on her unconstitutional views, rather than voting for her in spite of her wacky leftist views.

Bush has created a disturbing precedent in choosing Roberts and Miers. He has sent the unmistakable message that known conservatives need not apply. Some will say, "...but look at his appellate appointments." Sure, he made excellent appellate appointments, but he left them to twist in the wind in his first term. I'm sure the stealthy nature of his SC nominations are not lost on his appellate appointments, either.

He's also damaged Christian conservatives with his behind the scenes re-assurances that, "...she's gonna vote the right way." In a way, confirming liberals fears that conservatives want a Christian activist judge. Thankfully, aside from Dobson selling out, Christian conservatives have not endorsed Miers.

Conservatives need to press Miers during the confirmation hearings instead of giving her a pass. She may or may not do well, but Bush, the Nixon Republican, has slighted conservatives for the last time.

23 posted on 10/08/2005 10:23:16 AM PDT by Nephi (The Bush Legacy: Known conservatives are ineligible for the Supreme Court.)
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To: USS Alaska

You took the words right out of my mouth.


24 posted on 10/08/2005 10:23:20 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: Allen H
Since I’m sure there are still many conservatives out there who are still upset and whining about Bush not nominating who they wanted, I’m wondering. Do you wish Bush had nominated who you wanted, even if it meant them not being confirmed and Bush being forced to pick a milk toast?

We have the Senate and can run over the filibuster. Why play it safe?

25 posted on 10/08/2005 10:28:02 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: Perdogg

Good point. If Kerry was president ((shudder and puke)) there would be NO DOUBT as to the politics of the person he would pick. Flaming pink as you please hard core left of Socialist left liberal. And I don't know anymore if the gutless Republican majority in the Senate would even have the wevos to oppose it. I certainly trust Bush more than the Senate Republicans. Only about 25 of them seem to consistently have the brass to be conservative all the time no matter the issue because it's a way of life they believe in, not a way of convenience like for mccain and ones like him. There has been ample evidence put foward that Miers will be a conservative Justice just like she's been a politically and ideologically conservative lawyer, person in society, Christian in church, volunteer to conservative causes, etc so on, for so many years. Barring the ability to see the future, all that is good enough for me. Of course I'm scared ****less about having another burn job like suiter and kennedy and o'conner. But I have faith that Bush knows this woman and truly wants a conservative court before he leaves office, and that is the VERY reason that he hass nominated Miers. And frankly, like I said before, I quite like the fact she didn't come from some elitist liberal school like yale or harvard, and given how so many judges are so full of themselves, I like the fact she hasn't been some holier than though on high Judge looking down her nose at the real world from afar. I am encouraged that she's actually been in the real world, seeing how things SHOULD BE, and knows what the Constitution says, and isn't likely to be a stevens or ginsburg who rules based on what they wish it said, or what some socialist in spain or france has ruled.


26 posted on 10/08/2005 10:28:49 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: Bigun

I prefer the Army acronym: MOOSEMUSS! I begin to wonder if there are bitter little McCains running about on this forum.


27 posted on 10/08/2005 10:28:58 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade - Merry MOOSEMUSS!)
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To: Bigun
It doesn't matter what the founders "intended" when Supreme Court justices ignore the Constitution and makes laws from the bench. We have no evidence that Ms. Miers respects the founders' opinions -- however, we do have solid evidence that other judges with solid track records DO respect the founders' opinions.

This appointment is the 3rd stupidest thing Bush has done. #1 is letting the deficit spiral out of control, and #2 is letting illegal immigration spiral out of control. I held my nose on the first two stupid things, not realizing that Bush was going to do a 3rd stupid thing.

Pox on Bush.

28 posted on 10/08/2005 10:29:42 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: USS Alaska
Go ahead, flame away.

No flames from this quarter! Only applause!

29 posted on 10/08/2005 10:30:12 AM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Cedric
If that was the case, there are many other candidates that would serve that purpose better than HM.
30 posted on 10/08/2005 10:31:05 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: mc6809e

Specter, Collins, Chafey, Snowe, Hagel....


31 posted on 10/08/2005 10:31:26 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Allen H

You should be socked fifty bucks for posting a whiny vanity.


32 posted on 10/08/2005 10:31:29 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Cedric

it actually seems to be that those who oppose the Miers nomination are *a part of* W's Conservative Christian base. It could be a spiritually-based fallout, but I would disagree that those who are unhappy with Miers are not religious conservatives. I am disappointed with Miers because I am 1) Christian and 2) Conservative. I'm sure Bush knows much more than we do, but Miers doesn't seem to be the Thomas or Scalia Constructionist he promised us. Christian Conservatives worked hard to get GWB elected in order to change the configuration of the Court, and I'm not sure this is happening.


33 posted on 10/08/2005 10:31:53 AM PDT by Im4LifeandLiberty ("Because after all, a person's a person no matter how small")
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To: Mulch

Name 'em.


34 posted on 10/08/2005 10:31:58 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: SubMareener

That post that JohnHuang2 made was BRILLIANT! Excellent thread. I don't think I'm even tempered enough to be a columnist. 8) I only rarely ever go out of my way to remain polite to people who have really irritated me. Where is an example that you think this post I wrote would be good in? Thanks for the advice. 8)


35 posted on 10/08/2005 10:32:25 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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To: RasterMaster
I begin to wonder if there are bitter little McCains running about on this forum.

LOL! Me thinks you can stop wondering!

36 posted on 10/08/2005 10:32:56 AM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: USS Alaska
This nomination is actually the final straw for many conservatives.
37 posted on 10/08/2005 10:33:49 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: Im4LifeandLiberty

He's worked with closely Miers for 11 years. They're both Born Again Christians. She has no paper trail. Bingo, we get one of our own on the Supreme Court! What more do you want?


38 posted on 10/08/2005 10:35:17 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: mc6809e

With a turncoat like McCain and his gang of 14 running roughshod over the President, it's a pretty limp majority.


39 posted on 10/08/2005 10:35:37 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade - Merry MOOSEMUSS!)
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To: Allen H

"Frum is the only one I’ve heard of who has worked with her and doesn’t support her, and that was years ago and it’s not as though Frum doesn’t have his own agenda."

Frum is a Canadian. Any questions?


40 posted on 10/08/2005 10:37:33 AM PDT by Checkers ( Samuel L. Jackson : ''I don't like you because you're going to get me *killed*! ")
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