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THE NET IS SPLIT(Many people cut off from websites)
10/05/05 | various

Posted on 10/05/2005 6:34:28 PM PDT by Revel

Many people have not been able to get to several sites on the internet all day. Finally the reason is becoming clearer. Please see the posts below taken from the Drudge thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1497077/posts?q=1&&page=101

Sorry I don't have any articles. All I have is what has been gathered on the Thread.

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To: cgk

Hello-

I work for Level 3 and can vouch for the previous comments; we have depeered Cogent, which means that any customer or third party with Level 3, such as roadrunner, will not be able to connect to cogent websites, and vice versa.

Obviously i have a dog in the fight, but its for good reason.

105 posted on 10/05/2005 by DMinus

To: Desert_Girl

well, those questions require pretty detailed answers that i don't care to get into. suffice it to say that eventually it will be worked out by the market. for the time being, the only work around would be complex routing schemes by the carriers stuck in the middle. for those suggesting that they leave their carrier or demand that the carrier go somewhere else for service, such as roadrunner.... all i can say is that they would be shooting themselves in the foot by doing so.

as i said, i have a dog in this fight, but the best permanent solution would be for cogent to agree to a mroe equitable peering relationship and stop using other carrier's networks for a free ride, and then undercutting prices because they have no network infrastructure to pay for.

and be on the lookout; there will be lots more of this stuff coming, and not just between my company and others. this has been a brewing issue for some time now.

116 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:50 PM EDT by DMinus

Posted by tortoise to Democrat for Bush; All On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 74 of 118 ^

There is a currently a peering war going on for the Internet backbone between Cogent and Level3. What this means in practical terms is that the Internet has fragmented into smaller subnetworks depending on where you are on the broader network.

The practical consequence is that significant sections of the Internet no longer exist from the perspective of your upstream router. This is not a failure per se, it is the result of two Tier-1 network operators refusing to acknowledge the existence of the other and dumping those network routes into /dev/null.

Posted by tortoise to Phsstpok On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 75 of 118 ^

There is an open war between two Tier-1 network providers on the peering fabrics. Depending on who your upstream network is, you may or may not be able to see parts of the Internet.

It is neither a DNS problem or really even an ISP problem -- it is an intentionally created rift in the backbone by two powerful factions who decided to play a game of chicken with each other using the Internet.

Posted by tortoise to Desert_Girl On News/Activism ^ 10/05/2005 · 76 of 118 ^

I use RR and haven't been able to get to drudge all day long.

Drudge is fine, but there is a war on the peering fabrics between major networks that has turned ugly. Depending on the details of your connection, you may not be able to get to Drudge even if his site is up. The effect of this problem is that parts of the Internet no longer exist as far as your router is concerned, which may include Drudge's site.

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FROM GOOGLE:

Re: cogent and level3 From: Richard A Steenbergen Date: Wed Sep 14 15:09:13 2005 On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:41:32PM -0400, Joseph Nuara wrote: Does anyone know what the story is with Cogent and L3? I noticed that my Cogent site (IN NY) is using a path to one of my providers (IN NJ) via asia as opposed to the local and preferred L3 peer. After several days I was finally told that L3 and Cogent are working through some peering negotiations and cogent is moving traffic off their L3 peer in anticipation of a depeering (I guess they are trying to avoid the whole France Telecom thing that happend last time). Does anyone have a better clue as to what is going on and where the negotiations stand?

Unoffical sources say that Level 3 sent a depeering notice to Cogent a month ago, for a disconnection on either the 15th or the 16th of September. Based on the fact that Cogent is offering 0 commit ports to any Level 3 customers they can find (at 50% of their L3 pricing), it looks like they're preparing to shift as much traffic off as possible, and put the rest on transit. With any luck (if you're a Cogent or L3 customer at any rate) they won't be blackholing each other. Guess we'll find out this week. :) As for the path through Asia, sounds broken, send the traceroute to customer support and tell them to get it fixed. Richard A Steenbergen

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:NOS3HJhX9jcJ:www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg11606.html+Cogent+and+Level3&hl=en


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To: aberaussie

I have heard that RR is on level 3.

There appears to be some kind of work around going on since the drudge report has come back for some. And yet I still can't get to several other sites.


21 posted on 10/05/2005 6:48:04 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Revel

Does this have anything to do with the Euroeunuchs wanting partial control of the internet?


22 posted on 10/05/2005 6:48:06 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Xenalyte
Might you (or someone) summarize it in non-techie terms?

I wish I had seen this sooner so I didn't have to look clueless too!

: )

23 posted on 10/05/2005 6:50:15 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Publius6961

I think that this link found by SE MOM has a good explanitory article.

http://news.com.com/Network+feud+leads+to+Net+blackout/2100-1038_3-5889592.html?part=rss&tag=5889592&subj=news


24 posted on 10/05/2005 6:50:31 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Publius6961
"Can anyone translate all this into plain English for us non-dweebs?"

Sh*t's broke.

oh...you wanted the English translation not the southern translation.

To use a different analogy....Imagine in Verizon decided that Sprint couldn't use verizon's telephone wires anymore. Sprint gets pissed and says "oh yeah, you can't use ours"

**Of course the biggest bully of them all, the feds, prevent Verizon or Sprint from doing this.**

Sprinkle a little media hype and a touch of "the sky is falling" and you've got the gist.
25 posted on 10/05/2005 6:50:33 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: tfecw

Hmmmm. I work from my home office- use the internet ALL day..today I was unable to access several sites. At other times during the day I would be in the middle of entering data and the whole page suddenly went ~~POOF~~ . There were many people here today on FR asking about logging onto Drudge's site etc..and some other blogs.

MOST important..I couldn't get Rush or Levin on WABC streaming today.


26 posted on 10/05/2005 6:50:50 PM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: Revel
Like I said on another thread about this topic:

Jerks in suits having a pi$$ing match, and screwing everyone else over in the process.

27 posted on 10/05/2005 6:51:37 PM PDT by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: Revel

I can get into both. I don't understand the tech talk.


28 posted on 10/05/2005 6:53:06 PM PDT by Lemondropkid31 (Conroe, TX)
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To: netmilsmom
I can get into both.
What does it all mean?

You're bi-internetual?

29 posted on 10/05/2005 6:53:10 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SE Mom
I don't disagree that some sites are not accessible. I wouldn't exactly call it a "net outage" though :) although if FR, rush, AND drudge went I'm not sure what the net would be good for so it might as well be an outage.
30 posted on 10/05/2005 6:54:13 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Revel
"Which can you get to ?"

Both, without visible delay.

31 posted on 10/05/2005 6:55:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Revel

I have roadrunner and I can't access cogentco.com.

Bummer. I'm almost out of cogentness. Now what am I gonna do?


32 posted on 10/05/2005 6:57:01 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Relying on the MSM for news is like using suppositories for recreational purposes.)
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To: editor-surveyor

well it looks like many people can get to both now. And some people can't. Maybe the techs have been working all day to patch and find other routes to get through on.


33 posted on 10/05/2005 6:57:54 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Revel

I can't access the Cogent site- Level 3 is fine for me.


34 posted on 10/05/2005 6:58:02 PM PDT by SE Mom (Keep an open mind; nothing will fall out.)
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To: Revel
THE NET IS SPLIT

Half the net has seceeded from the other half. The northern domains are raising a militia to retake the southern domains, starting with the one located at Fort Sumter. All should be back to normal within 80 or so posts.

35 posted on 10/05/2005 6:58:48 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Revel

I got into both. And...?


36 posted on 10/05/2005 6:59:36 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Revel

I get into both VERY quickly, from an Adelphia Cable connection in Vermont. But I must say the internet has been flaky for me the past few days, and I don't think it's the local servers that were at fault.


37 posted on 10/05/2005 6:59:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Revel

I can get into both.


38 posted on 10/05/2005 7:00:42 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Aren't the "reality-based community" folks the same ones who insist there is no objective reality?)
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To: Revel

I tracert'ed both and go to both on the third hop. Both end-to-end routes were complete in 10 hops. My pings report 19ms to L3 and 24ms to Cogentco.


39 posted on 10/05/2005 7:04:25 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Revel

I can open http://www.level3.com/
This won't open for me - http://www.cogentco.com/
Drudge won't open for me.

Tampa Bay area


40 posted on 10/05/2005 7:08:01 PM PDT by LADY J
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