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To: A CA Guy
You're deliberately avoiding the question. Obviously, you beleive the founding fathers had no way of knowing how bad of a problem drugs would be, and therefore the Constitution should not apply to the war on drugs. I'm just curious as to if you feel, like Gov. Arnold that some restrictions on firearms ownership are reasonable.

We both agree that drugs are destructive. I've known people who have F'ed themselves up really bad because of substance abuse. I'm just looking for an answer to my question.

243 posted on 09/14/2005 10:45:54 AM PDT by jmc813 ("Small-government conservative" is a redundancy, and "compassionate conservative" is an oxymoron.)
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To: jmc813; A CA Guy
You're deliberately avoiding the question.

That's all he does on these threads: proclaim principles, then duck the questions about whether he consistently applies those priciples. Of course, the reason he does that is that he doesn't believe the principles he proclaims ... he just wants government to enforce his personal preferences, like all liberals.

244 posted on 09/14/2005 10:50:23 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: jmc813
The founding fathers lived in another world which was mostly unpopulated, raw and the neighbors would hardly know anything you were doing.

In modern times we live on top of each other and as the druggies touch any part of society, they corrupt the security of the more self reliant and innocent people.

They cause with their drug abuse:
* Their immediate family hell on earth.
* Probably often endanger their children with their irresponsible behavior.
* Cause massive health costs to our public coffers.
* Cause lots of extra liability to the employers through civil suits and probable cause auto manufacturing to move out due to all the drug addictions found on the production lines.
* Probably have a bunch on welfare eating our tax dollars.

I think what we have today going on couldn't be foreseen by our Founding Fathers, just as landing on the moon was also rarely thought of.

Because of the very nature of living on top of each other more, equal rights means more restricted rights in behavior because what one considers a right, the neighbor considers and abuse of their rights.
Because of this we have laws regulating behaviors in a crowded society and libertarians least get this of any persons in America IMO.

I always tell the druggies here on FR that if you want to do your drugs, to be able to screw small children, chase your pets nude in the moonlight on your property and so forth, they need to go by an unpopulated island and then do what you want where others don't have you answering for your behavior.

If you want to still live in this crowded society, if you do the crime, get ready to put in the orange jumpsuit and do the time! :-)
249 posted on 09/14/2005 11:12:54 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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