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Posted on 09/04/2005 7:26:23 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear

I asked a question on a few threads. "Who is in a State Governor's chain of command?" "Who takes over when the Governor cannot or will not perform his or her duties." I know for sure that it is NOT the President of the United States.

I joined the Air Force a looong time ago. I quickly learned I have a Chain of Command. If my immediate rater is gone (planned or not) or if my rater drops the ball I am required to pick up the slack. I may be mistaken but I think the civilian world works in a similiar way.

Also; Mrs Bear told me to stay polite. I think I did but apologies all around if I am too blunt. It's just the way I am.

God Bless You All!


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1 posted on 09/04/2005 7:26:23 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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To: Grizzled Bear

lt. governor? senator?


2 posted on 09/04/2005 7:30:28 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Welcome to Free Republic and thank you for your service to our country.

You don't have to worry about being polite around here but you better damn well be accurate. If you are not logical, well resoned, and don't have a good handle on the facts........God help you.

Again, thanks for joining the Armed Service. You will talk to a hell of a lot of vererans on this site.

Freespectfully,

PresidentFelon


3 posted on 09/04/2005 7:32:09 PM PDT by PresidentFelon (Reuters Reporter Adam Entous beats his mother)
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To: Grizzled Bear

My sympathy with you Grissled Bear. My wife keeps telling me to calm down and not be so vocal. More power to you.


4 posted on 09/04/2005 7:32:23 PM PDT by ProudFossil
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To: Grizzled Bear


The Lt. Governor.


5 posted on 09/04/2005 7:32:43 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

In short, there are 50 answers to that question. Unless you're talking about the oddity that is DC, the Governor is the chief executive of their state and the Commander-in-Chief of that state's National Guard. There isn't a higher authority in the state. Now the answer to who takes over when the Governor turns into a quivering, ineffective pile of mush depends on the Constitution of that state -- the provisions of which will differ in each of the 50 states. That's one of the great thing about this republic of ours...


6 posted on 09/04/2005 7:34:36 PM PDT by FinallyBackInNH
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To: Grizzled Bear

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, "

Chain of command extends to the consent of the governed, and when consent is broken through dereliction of duty alteration is required.


7 posted on 09/04/2005 7:38:00 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: ProudFossil; PresidentFelon

Thanks for the Welcome.

No sympathy necessary. Mrs Bear keeps me out of trouble. I was very lucky to find her.


8 posted on 09/04/2005 7:47:03 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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To: lightman
I agree with everything you wrote. I've been asking this question because the MSM tends to put everything that goes wrong against our Commander and Chief.

I know the rules concerning the National Guard. I have worked with Guard members who were on Extended Active Duty.

I am just curious of who should have stepped up and took charge during the emotional melt down of the Governor. I really am not surprised that no one tried to. When you have that much corruption and crony-ism(spelling?) in one place you can't expect anyone to take charge.

My disclaimer for the above - I lived in Louisiana in the mid to late 80's (Barksdale AFB). There were some good people but shifty politicians.
9 posted on 09/04/2005 7:55:42 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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To: onyx
Thanks. Do you know if the state senators are in the loop?

I am ashamed to say I really never learned as much about the Government as I should have in High School. I guess I'm not alone and we are all paying a price.

I think in the past few years I learned more about US Civics than I had during all 12 years of public school.
11 posted on 09/04/2005 8:10:16 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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The state senate or state legislature would have a "speaker of the house" who would likely assume the governor's duties once that responsibility had been vacated by the Lt. governor, then the state's attorney general, maybe then the assistant attorney general, then to the speaker of the state house.

Don't bet the farm on my knowledge, even the farm that you might not own. :)


12 posted on 09/04/2005 8:13:39 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: onyx
Don't bet the farm on my knowledge, even the farm that you might not own.
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You should know that it's a fine Progressive/Liberal tradition to bet everyone else's farms. If you stand to profit of course!
13 posted on 09/04/2005 8:16:30 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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Here's the official answer (sort of) from the Louisiana Constitution. Doesn't really say who the next in line is (at least not that I've found yet).

ARTICLE IV - EXECUTIVE BRANCH

§18. Determination of Inability of Statewide Elected Official

Section 18.(A) Declaration and Counter-Declaration. When a majority of the statewide elected officials determine that any other such official is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, they shall transmit a written declaration to this effect to the presiding officer of each house and to the official, and shall file a copy of the declaration in the office of the secretary of state. Thereafter, the constitutional successor shall assume the office as acting official unless, within forty-eight hours after the declaration is filed in the office of the secretary of state, the elected official files in that office and transmits to the presiding officer of each house his written counter-declaration of his ability to exercise the powers and perform the duties of his office.

(B) Determination by the Legislature. The legislature shall convene at noon on the third calendar day after the filing of any counter-declaration, which may be filed by the official at any time. Should two-thirds of the elected members of each house fail to adopt a resolution within seventy-two hours declaring probable justification for the determination that inability exists, the official shall continue in or resume office.

(C) Assumption of Office by Constitutional Successor. If two-thirds of the elected members of each house adopt a resolution declaring that probable justification exists for the declaration of inability, the constitutional successor shall assume the powers and duties of the office and a copy of the resolution shall be transmitted forthwith to the supreme court.

(D) Determination by Supreme Court. By preference and with priority over all other matters, the supreme court shall determine the issue of inability after due notice and hearing, by a majority vote of members elected to the court, under such rules as it may adopt.

(E) Reconsideration by Supreme Court. A judgment of the supreme court affirming inability may be reconsidered by the court, after due notice and hearing, either upon its own motion or upon the application of the official. Upon proper showing and by majority vote of its elected members, the court may determine that no inability then exists, whereupon the official shall immediately resume the powers and duties of his office.


14 posted on 09/04/2005 8:16:31 PM PDT by FinallyBackInNH
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FOTFLOL! Shame on me for my oversight. TOO FUNNY!


15 posted on 09/04/2005 8:21:38 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: FinallyBackInNH
Wow! Sounds complicated.

My main concern was to know how to reply when my brother starts forwarding his Moveon newsletter.

After I send him data he tends to reply that he does not want to debate with me.

At least one of us escaped from Liberal Michigan.
16 posted on 09/04/2005 8:23:47 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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To: Grizzled Bear
I think the civilian world works in a similiar way

There is a chain of succession for the Pres of the US. Beyond that things get kind of murky. As for accountability, there is next to none except for possible reelection or not.

17 posted on 09/04/2005 8:24:28 PM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees, clear, frost and birdshot, Fairbanks)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Hard to say. Not sure about that chain of command when the govenor fails in her duty.

Maybe we should look to the bus-thief. He, at least, did not sit on his butt waiting for big-brother.

18 posted on 09/04/2005 8:28:46 PM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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Here it is. Not a surprise...it's the Lieutenant Governor -- in this case Mitch Landrieu (brother of the current U.S. Senator and son of the former mayor of New Orleans).

§14. Vacancy in Office of Governor

Section 14. When a vacancy occurs in the office of governor, the order of succession shall be (1) the elected lieutenant governor, (2) the elected secretary of state, (3) the elected attorney general, (4) the elected treasurer, (5) the presiding officer of the Senate, (6) the presiding officer of the House of Representatives, and then (7) as provided by law. The successor shall serve the remainder of the term for which the governor was elected.


19 posted on 09/04/2005 8:29:11 PM PDT by FinallyBackInNH
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I don't know if it will make a difference but I sent a message to my Congressman asking if there was any way for this kid to be recognized.

Maybe if the elected officials hear from enough people they will give this kid the honor he deserves.

I didn't bother with my senators (I'm registered in Michigan...).
20 posted on 09/04/2005 8:34:31 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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