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Cause of the Disaster: The People of New Orleans
wotan | 9/2/05 | wotan

Posted on 09/02/2005 6:00:16 AM PDT by wotan

For $250 million, the levees in New Orleans could have been reinforced and the pumps ensured operational, as the Army Corps of Engineers had been urging. That's about $500 per resident, just 1/60th of annual per capita income in what was New Orleans. Spread that cost over five years and you're down to 1/300th of annual per capita income, a small price for insurance against a mega-disaster that was widely known to be likely in the event of a strike from a Category 4 hurricane like Katrina.

Yes, given our screwed up, socialist system, we can blame, within that system, Governor Blanco for incompetence, the Congress for cutting funds for New Orleans flood control, FEMA for slow response, etc., etc., but the real cause of the disaster is the people of New Orleans and the entitlement mentality that infects them. They preferred rolling the dice year after year on whether their city would live or die to actually doing anything to ensure that it wouldn't die - beyond looking for an open nipple on the Big Sow in Washington.


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To: wotan

EXTREMELY WELL PUT.

Would love to have that forcefully tatooed on every traitorous congress critter and media traitor in the land's forehead.


21 posted on 09/02/2005 6:28:27 AM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Just another Joe

Pre-levee breakage damage cost estimate = $9 billion
Post-levee breakage damage cost estimate = $50 billion

What type of odds/payout would Vegas have given for a $40 billion delta?


22 posted on 09/02/2005 6:29:06 AM PDT by US admirer
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To: johnny7
"... that's why Bush will be blamed."

The same number who voted for Kerry (or liked Kerry, but stayed home and played video games) will blame Bush. The same number who voted for Bush will not blame Bush. Either way, he's not up for reelection so any blame that they can drum up shouldn't hurt him. In fact, it could be that the country will be so engulfed in finger-pointing that all the side-items that Bush wants to get through will actually get through (for example, Roberts' confirmation). Also, the stunted Peace Movement and their queen-sow Sheeman won't get any airplay, and this will drive them to new levels of raving lunacy as nobody pays attention. Meanwhile, jobs are up, the economy is growing, it looks like something will finally done to address the energy/cost problem - that or see our country fall apart - and we just had 1000 Shiites give their approval for the Iraqi constitution, along with some general pro-American sentiments and shows of support. New Orleans is facing its greatest test ever, and soon enough the heroism and intelligence will creep back. It'll be a great rebuilding, and remind us all what it is to be a rugged individualist.
23 posted on 09/02/2005 6:29:42 AM PDT by mudblood
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To: tgusa
Good; blame the Corps of Engineers. THEY didn't decide to build a major city below sea level. So - who's fault IS IT???? Stuff happens. There are things called 'acts of God.' Get over it, bury the dead, and move forward.

That's what a lot of people are acting like. "We have built, and rebulit, after multiple hurricanes in the past 100 years, below sea level, and the Corps of Engineers, Congress, President Bush, etc., should have done more to protest us".

Last I checked, the Corps of Engineers, Congress, President Bush, etc. were not going around New Orleans preying on the residents of New Orleans, gang-raping women, raping children, forcing firefights to give up their boats at gunpoint, shooting at cops trying to help out, surrounding hospitals and threatening to kill those inside unless they gave them drugs and foot, looting Churches, murdering other people.
24 posted on 09/02/2005 6:32:55 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: chris1

After the tsunami they wisely decided to build a warning system so people could get out of the way of a disaster. Now it's time to build a Lousiana storm warning system. It could consist of a special beanie with a mallet on top which beans the unconcerned resident until he evacuates the area.

However, the mayor was concerned that the residents might actually like the idea. Asked why he replied that it would feel so good when they stopped pounding their heads.


25 posted on 09/02/2005 6:36:25 AM PDT by MilleniumBug
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
"On another note, we have all these tv crews coming in. Why didn't they helping out by bringing in water etc?

. . .perhaps because they did not want to cause riots. . .as of late. . .the 'messengers' have been attacked for bringing the message. . .ie 'help/food' et al.

That said; they have quietly been offering water and help to individuals, along the way. And they have gotten a message out; from the people; where phone/cell phones have failed.

As for GW; is he supposed to 'sound' good; as this crisis management gets underway or just work to get the job under control. . .can we let him be sartorial, later? Had he made a 'great speech'; we would have heard him being criticised for being 'all talk'. . .'easy for him to say' . . .and ad nauseum slams from the Left.

The real blame for the lack of preparedness is the City itself. . .the Mayor and then the Governor. WHAT was the disaster plan here; every city has one; what was New Orleans suppossed to really do. . .when those levies gave way; as was so often predicted?

Did the Mayor just think the music would play untill the water went away. . .or what?

26 posted on 09/02/2005 6:38:59 AM PDT by cricket (.Just say NO U.N.)
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To: af_vet_rr

Agree totally; lock and load.


27 posted on 09/02/2005 6:43:34 AM PDT by tgusa (USN A-6 pilot)
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To: redlocks322
All the men standing around waiting to be evacuated, if they aren't sick or hurt, put them to work cleaning up there in New Orleans.

Not just the men. All the able bodied people should be doing something to help the situation. Notice I said able.

28 posted on 09/02/2005 6:43:44 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: chris1
I've seen that, too. the big difference is that with proper planning and construction, this situation could have been either avoided or minimized. This catastrophe could have been planned for and mitigated in advance. The tsunami victims had no warning. The city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana had ample warning and ample money to build a better levee system and to pre-plan emergency response to the city flooding. The politicians and the voters decided not to plan for this anticipated situation. Now they reap what they sowed.

The whole country is suffering from poor planning, environmental restrictions, but on the flood control problem and the energy infrastructure, and a sence of entitlement to social welfare that takes precedence over infrastructure development. We are all paying the price for poor prioritization of our national resources and treasures.

29 posted on 09/02/2005 6:44:55 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: US admirer
I'm sure many will disagree with me, but on the subject of "rebuilding" NO, it would be more than foolhardy. Why repeat the mistake that was made by deciding to settle between a huge lake and the mouth of the Mississippi; then build levees and elaborate underground pumping systems, etc. etc.?There are, believe it or not, some places best left to Mother Nature.
That being said, my heart goes out to those people who are suffering almost unbelievable hardship.It's way more than disgusting to see the inept, bumbling way the rescue mission has been handled.I can hardly believe the shameful mess. Who's in charge? It's not like there wasn't several days of warnings? Why weren't the National Guard, relief organizations etc. there, ready to move in immediately? And what's with the NO police dept.?
30 posted on 09/02/2005 6:45:45 AM PDT by Molly T.
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To: chris1

I don't think its a case of Freepers caring less about people in Louisiana. From my perspective, its just that I EXPECT a lot more from Americans. I expected officials from a state and a major city in the United States to have a better reaction to a major catastrophe. I expected those same officials to be better PREPARED for a what basically comes down to a simple hurricane. Something that happens EVERY YEAR! I expect a governor to show some leadership and not cry on camera that she can't stop the criminals. I expect a mayor to show some leadership and not look to place blame for the destruction of his city on other people.

Most of all, I expect American citizens to not act like animals when things get tough. Florida got hit by 3 big hurricanes within 6 weeks last year and the reaction there was to pull together and help each other out, not shoot at each other and at people trying to deliver assistance.


31 posted on 09/02/2005 6:46:41 AM PDT by LegionofDorkness (A Proud South Park Conservative)
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To: chris1

I don't think its a case of Freepers caring less about people in Louisiana. From my perspective, its just that I EXPECT a lot more from Americans. I expected officials from a state and a major city in the United States to have a better reaction to a major catastrophe. I expected those same officials to be better PREPARED for a what basically comes down to a simple hurricane. Something that happens EVERY YEAR! I expect a governor to show some leadership and not cry on camera that she can't stop the criminals. I expect a mayor to show some leadership and not look to place blame for the destruction of his city on other people.

Most of all, I expect American citizens to not act like animals when things get tough. Florida got hit by 3 big hurricanes within 6 weeks last year and the reaction there was to pull together and help each other out, not shoot at each other and at people trying to deliver assistance.


32 posted on 09/02/2005 6:47:37 AM PDT by LegionofDorkness (A Proud South Park Conservative)
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To: MilleniumBug

There are many reasons, many no PC to name, why many of these people could not leave. I think that the mayor and gov of LA really dropped the ball in not getting everyone out of there beforehand.


33 posted on 09/02/2005 6:48:35 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: Molly T.

Molly, agree that the good people of NO need our prayers. This is just NO politics. Do a Lexis/Nexis search and see how much $$ the governor of LA promised to GIVE to the Saints to keep them in town. Maybe if that $$ had been given to the Dutch to provide consulting help (after all, the Dutch know something about dams and levees) this situation could have been somewhat mitigated.


34 posted on 09/02/2005 6:49:35 AM PDT by tgusa (USN A-6 pilot)
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To: LegionofDorkness

Its called leadership, common sense, charachter, and competence. We have none. We have seen that our tax dollars go to support a wasteful, indept, unprepared, matrix of government in our lives that can no longer justify the taxes we pay it.

Think of what the terrorists must be thinking watching this???

In their wildest dreams they could not pull off something like this.



35 posted on 09/02/2005 6:52:45 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: tgusa
Good; blame the Corps of Engineers. THEY didn't decide to build a major city below sea level. So - who's fault IS IT???? Stuff happens

Truth be told, the Corps has built levees the length of the Mississippi and that causes much of the flooding below St Louis when one breaks. People move into areas that no longer flood and think they are safe.

The 17th Street levee in New Orleans that broke has been resisted by locals for 20 years and is a little used connection between the lake and the river. It adds many miles of problems to what was already a bad system.

For decades the Corps has lived to build levees and does so even when they are in the wrong place long term. It's also the reason the delta is populated where it should not be.

36 posted on 09/02/2005 6:54:27 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (I'm a Conservative but will not support evil just because it's "the law.")
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To: chris1

Get that log out of your eye brother


37 posted on 09/02/2005 6:55:22 AM PDT by SaintDismas (Jest becuz you put yer boots in the oven, don't make it bread)
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To: chris1


If the devil is the living flesh of evil, then here is who I think he is. Far from appearing as a hideous demon, he is the average-looking person who walks into a room and shakes your hand with a smile. By the time he leaves, the standards of decency of everyone within that room have been lowered ever so slightly.

--- A lawyer come to mind.


38 posted on 09/02/2005 6:58:31 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.sigmaitsys.com)
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To: wequalswinner

Huh?????


39 posted on 09/02/2005 6:58:33 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: hombre_sincero

Everyone hates lawyers until they need one. Do you think Cicero of Rome, Abe Lincoln, and Madison deserve to be in your group????


40 posted on 09/02/2005 7:00:24 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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