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The Hobbit Hole XXIV - Sand and Stone and Pool and Dell...
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Posted on 08/24/2005 9:50:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Sand and Stone and Pool and Dell...

New verse:

Upon the hearth the fire is red,
Beneath the roof there is a bed;
But not yet weary are our feet,
Still round the corner we may meet
A sudden tree or standing stone
That none have seen but we alone.
Tree and flower and leaf and grass,
Let them pass! Let them pass!
Hill and water under sky,
Pass them by! Pass them by!

Still round the corner there may wait
A new road or a secret gate,
And though we pass them by today,
Tomorrow we may come this way
And take the hidden paths that run
Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe,
Let them go! Let them go!
Sand and stone and pool and dell,
Fare you well! Fare you well!

Home is behind, the world ahead,
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows to the edge of night,
Until the stars are all alight.
Then world behind and home ahead,
We’ll wander back to home and bed.
Mist and twilight, cloud and shade,
Away shall fade! Away shall fade!
Fire and lamp, and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed!

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To: ExGeeEye

Heh, fun weekend!


3,821 posted on 09/15/2005 7:43:25 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Ramius
Evening...

First and second seasons were the two best seasons of "24", I think.

I have to go to work for a few hours tomorrow... I dislike starting a job on Friday.

3,822 posted on 09/15/2005 7:47:12 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear ("Usually we try to go break things. Here we're trying to fix things." --Gen. Honore 09/07 press conf)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear

I'm going to get the second season next. This is currently the third season, right?


3,823 posted on 09/15/2005 7:52:11 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Ramius
Fourth season of "24" just finished earlier this year, and the fifth season starts this coming January.

New "Survivor" started tonight, woohoo!

3,824 posted on 09/15/2005 7:56:16 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear ("Usually we try to go break things. Here we're trying to fix things." --Gen. Honore 09/07 press conf)
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To: RosieCotton; RMDupree

3,825 posted on 09/15/2005 8:02:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Ramius; HairOfTheDog
I just bought the first season set of 24 on DVD.

Hmmm... we'd been thinking about signing up for Netflix again just to catch up on 24. Let us know when you're done with it. ;~D

By the way, we just got Hitchhiker's Guide too. We need to come up there sometime for some movie viewing.

3,826 posted on 09/15/2005 8:03:46 PM PDT by ecurbh (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: ecurbh

Yah... I'm up for it. I'm home this and next weekend. The following weekend I'll be staying here in SF. Doing a two-week stint. Maybe I'll finally "go into town". :-)

Never been there.


3,827 posted on 09/15/2005 8:08:35 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: ecurbh; Ramius; HairOfTheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear

Heh...Netflix says I can come back for $9.99 a month (only one DVD at a time). I'll prolly do it to catch season 4 of "24."

But I know what you mean Ramius, it's hard to not go on to the next episode. I lost a lot of sleep watching that first season on DVD.


3,828 posted on 09/15/2005 8:09:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Bear_in_RoseBear

The final episode really pi$$ed me off. :-)

Damn them.


3,829 posted on 09/15/2005 8:10:56 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Ramius

Yep. Did you get the version that has the alternate ending?

It would really screw up the second season tho. Kinda like Bobby coming back to Dallas.


3,830 posted on 09/15/2005 8:12:53 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Ramius
Heh... did the DVD have both alternate endings?

IIRC, they filmed two endings to Season 1 in order to confuse leakers who might give away the ending. The DVD was supposed to have both endings as a bonus feature...

3,831 posted on 09/15/2005 8:13:56 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear ("Usually we try to go break things. Here we're trying to fix things." --Gen. Honore 09/07 press conf)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Ramius

The version I got from Netflix had both endings.


3,832 posted on 09/15/2005 8:14:26 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Ramius
The version I got from Netflix had both endings.

I think that's the standard.

3,833 posted on 09/15/2005 8:15:29 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear ("Usually we try to go break things. Here we're trying to fix things." --Gen. Honore 09/07 press conf)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands

Yes. the DVD has two endings. The 'alternate' one was the one where [she] lives.

But that wasn't the part that ticked me off. It was the german mole that ticked me off.


3,834 posted on 09/15/2005 8:17:25 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Yeah, we got the same offer from Netflix.


3,835 posted on 09/15/2005 8:22:52 PM PDT by ecurbh (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Ramius
Heh, to tell you the truth, I haven't seen it since it was first broadcast. All of the moles, double-agents, terrorists, and world-threatening plots start to run together after four seasons...
3,836 posted on 09/15/2005 8:22:58 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear ("Usually we try to go break things. Here we're trying to fix things." --Gen. Honore 09/07 press conf)
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To: RMDupree; RosieCotton

Ruthy, could you be a reference for Rosie???


3,837 posted on 09/15/2005 8:35:39 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: Ramius

This is off topic... but an interesting thing was said the other day, if any of you saw the [discovery channel?] show called "Grounded"... about 9/11 and the air traffic controllers and airlines and the scramble to get over 4,500 airplanes on the ground all across the country. I thought it was a pretty well-done show.

But there was an interesting thing they said, in the "planning is overrated" department.

Nobody, but nobody had ever really contemplated any such order ever happening. There was no plan. There was no set of guidelines. Nothing. YET-- they all managed to get it done in only about three hours. Not one accident, no midairs, no real problems at all except of course some inconvenience for people suddenly stuck in the wrong city.

It was masterful, when you think about it. More interesting yet-- the 9/11 commission started down the road of establishing a committee to design some plans and rules and guidelines should it ever need to be ordered again.

Then a totally astonishing thing happened. Somebody... some unnamed staffer in some unnamed meeting, piped up on the conference call and said something to the effect of "how about we *don't* do it". His point was that rulebooks and plans and procedures and protocols were *manifestly* unnecessary on 9/11. In fact, having such encumbrances probably would have merely gotten many people killed. If people can hide behind a plan and procedure they will. It was the seat-of-pants creativity and damn-it-just-do-it-because-I-said-so attitude that really made it work.

And, miracle of miracles... the commission abandoned any effort to build such a plan.

Pretty cool. IMHO. :-)


3,838 posted on 09/15/2005 8:39:38 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Ramius
Let me point out though, the "no plan" plan assumes a certain level of competence on the part of the people who will be executing it. Louisiana's response to Katrina proved that you can't always rely on that competence being present.
3,839 posted on 09/15/2005 8:43:01 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear ("Usually we try to go break things. Here we're trying to fix things." --Gen. Honore 09/07 press conf)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear

but they had a plan. They just didn't have people that could or would do it.

You're right: It's the competence of the people that matters, not the completeness of the plan.


3,840 posted on 09/15/2005 8:47:53 PM PDT by Ramius (Blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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