Washington State Discussion Thread - August 2005

Source? We need a source? | 8/01/2005 | sionnsar

[sionnsar]

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[pollyannaish]

Hey Sionnsar!

Thanks for the hard work. I read this thread everyday, but have little to add at this point. I appreciate the ping though and hope it keeps up.

I bet it gets more active once the summer is over and we head into the 06 campaign.

[pollyannaish]

I hope so, but I'm afraid many of us in the eastern part of the state feel pretty beaten down and resigned. We've had to pretty much stay out of the line of fire to accomplish anything.

We end up feeling like no matter what, things like new stadiums/ballparks are going to be built, taxes passed and we'll still be begging to have our roads repaired.

We dutifully sign petitions right and left, but after a while, it gets a little depressing. That said, a good revolt on the west side might get us all stirred up again.

[sionnsar]

Do you think it might need a daily reminder ping?

[bigfootbob]

I understand. I live in Kitsap County. It is a genuine swing county. We carried Rossi by 1,800 votes, but Bush lost by 14,000. My neighbors are confused and it is very frustrating.

One thing we all seem to share is the discontent over the WSDOT. We will turn this around, one way or another.

My anecdotal evidence; My 14 year old daughter 4 years ago was the only conservative kid in her class. This year, there were 7 kids that were openly practicing conservatives. They made their teachers and administrators sit up and take notice.

The liberals have gone too far, the pendulum is beginning to turn.

[pollyannaish]

A daily ping might help.

But here's what would help me the most (although it would be a lot of work.)

I think it would be great to have a brief description of the top five or so developments/events that are of interest to WA State Conservatives. Sort of "Washington State Clif notes" so to speak.

I am not always aware of the ins and outs of many of the things discussed here. We vacationed in the Seattle area, and I noticed that after being there a bit, many topics became clear, because there is actual public discussion about them. God bless talk radio!

I don't know, perhaps it's the Cascade Curtain, but a lot of this just doesn't filter over to us with the same urgency.

So, that is what would help me. A brief synopsis. But I also understand it would be a lot of work, so it's not something I expect. I just appreciate being able to come in here, along with the other threads you've pinged me to, and piece together what's going on.

Thanks!

[pollyannaish]

That is such a good sign. We're pretty red over here on the east side, and have been for as long as I can remember. As long as we don't get overly infiltrated by out of staters...which is happening irritatingly often. ; )

When I was a kid, and Washington was still a swing state (1972 I think) President Nixon stopped in to campaign here. Nearly the whole town turned out.

I miss those days!

[Robert357]

What will happen in WA if libs run to court and a judge says that to overturn a law inacted by the legislature is unconstitutional? I have to expect they will try and that a favorable judge can be found.

When the liberals find something they don't like there is always a favorable judge to be found.

When the cost of Washington Public Power Supply System projects got to be too much, the contracts with those bond holders that lent the money were declared invalid by the State Supreme Court. Some investment bankers at the time said that they will never do business in the banana Republic of Washington again, where judges to the State's Supreme Court are elected officials.

You may have been watching how Snohomish County PUD is trying to break its Enron Contract. This one has maybe more merit as Enron did some criminal things to "con" the PUD.

Did you note how the judge tossed out the challenge to the overused emergency declaration to designed to prevent a public referendum on tax increases?

This was based on the earlier court case that allowed for a new vote when the politicians got the wrong result on a public sport stadium.

The major weakness I see in our voting in this state is the ability to hold liberal judges accountable at the next election. The powers that be refuse to have judges run on their "record" of decisions.

One of the biggest voids, I see is a website or something that records headline, bone-head, judicial decisions by judge ; so that when election time roles around, the voters can figure out which Superior Court and Supreme Court Judges to boot out of office.

[bigfootbob]

You're right. However, when you have PAC's like the NRA supporting liberal jerks like Charles Johnson, and the state GOP Chair stating the "Party doesn't do issues"; how the hell do we defeat the stranglehold?

[HannaUSA]

Like the new digs:)

Several people are coming togather determined to see REAL election reforms in the next legislative session. If you are interested in being a part of this, please e-mail me at hanna@televar.com

[sionnsar]

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[Not A Snowbird]

Thanks for the ping!
You can probably take Fire_Dean_Logan off your ping list... he was banned (or suspended?) Suspected prior bannee...

[sionnsar]

You're right. General thought is that he was Josef.

[sionnsar]

Re-post from the WA Message Board:

Your Attention Please

Public Information Workshop
Critical Areas Ordinance Update
Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7—10pm
Norm Dicks Government Center (New City Hall)
345 6th Street
Bremerton, WA

At long last Kitsap County has decided to inform the public of the revisions they have proposed for the update of the Critical Areas Ordinance that was released May 17, 2005. This is definitely the largest government land grab in Washington State history.

If these revisions are adopted by the County Commissioners
Not only will it gravely affect the use and enjoyment of your property
But it assuredly will increase your property taxes as these policies are implemented.

Included in this document:
Bigger larger buffers and setbacks with no justification or explanation;
Inclusion of undefined wildlife habitat critical areas;
Major expansion of the critical aquifer recharge area definition;
No citation or inclusion of scientific justification for any regulations;
Increased requirements for technical studies and reports ($$$) by the applicant;
Virtually unlimited right of entry and inspection of private property;
People identified as “human disturbance” and our pets as “pet disturbance”.

The proposed ordinance can be found at www.kitsap.gov. Click on Critical Areas Ordinance Workshop which will direct you to the CAO website. Take some time and read through this document. Bring your questions to the workshop. County staff has made a commitment to the public to thoroughly explain these proposed changes and answer written questions at the workshop. Material will be available there for you to write down your questions.

In the event you cannot attend the meeting the county has provided a form online inviting you to submit two questions. You may submit multiple forms if you have more than two questions. Or you may submit your questions without a form directly to cao@co.kitsap.wa.us. Or send a letter to the Board of County Commissioners, 614 Division Street, Port Orchard, WA 98366. Whether Email or regular mail make sure you instruct the county to include your comments in the record and submit them for answers at the scheduled workshop. Public Hearings will be scheduled later.

YOUR PRESENCE AT THE MEETING IS CRITICAL
Every property owner in the county will be affected
If you aren’t there to protect your interest in your private property -
Don’t expect somebody else to do it for you.
Parking is limited - Seating is Limited
(A $10 parking ticket is worth the price!)

QUESTIONS? - Call the Board of County Commissioners 360-337-7146

This flyer distributed by the Kitsap Alliance of Property Owners www.kapo.org

[sionnsar]

All: Re-post for "ruralmajority" from the WA message board:


Dear All:

"The Rural Majority" has arrived on the scene and will be posting from time to time on land use and political issues. Baynative has seen fit to post some of my writings before, that he thought were appropriate issues for the group. He posted a couple or more on our psuedo "friend" Reagan Dunn. Look forward to meeting and talking with some or more of you in the near future.

Take care and keep fighting, because you are right.

Ron Ewart, President
"The Rural Majority"
Fall City, WA
425 222-9482
www.theruralmajority.org

[holyscroller]

Yes, we do need to be pinged to this site daily or every couple days. I can never find this new site again when I look for it. When I do find it, it's usually by acident. Anybody got any good way of finding it?

[sionnsar]

The only way I have is to dig (deep) into my ping history. I think maybe I will try a daily reminder ping. I know other ongoing threads require the occasional reminder.

[sionnsar]

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[Ramius]

One way is to just make a "favorite" out of it in IE or whatever browser you're using. Even if it occasionally grows fast and we start a new one, its easy to make a new favorite and delete the old one.

[noexcuses]

Thanks for the ping :-) Do we have any updates on the next Puget Sound Freeper meet?

[sionnsar]

No we don't.