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Calif. man faints, dies after seeing epidural
Reuters ^ | 7-7-05 | Anon

Posted on 07/07/2005 1:20:28 PM PDT by Pharmboy

Los Angeles (Reuters) A California woman is suing a hospital for wrongful death because her husband fainted and suffered a fatal injury after helping delivery room staff give her a pain-killing injection.

Jeanette Passalaqua, 32, filed the suit against Kaiser Foundation Hospitals and Southern California Permanente Medical Group Inc. in San Bernardino County state court last week.

In June 2004, Passalaqua's husband, Steven Passalaqua, was asked by Kaiser staff to hold and steady his wife while an employee inserted an epidural needle into her back, court papers said.

The sight of the needle caused Steven Passalaqua, 33, to faint and he fell backward, striking his head on an aluminum cap molding at the base of the wall.

Jeanette Passalaqua delivered the couple's second child, a boy, later that day. Steven Passalaqua, however, suffered a brain hemorrhage as a result of his fall and died two days later, the lawsuit said.

The suit seeks unspecified damages related to Steven Passalaqua's death and to Jeanette Passalaqua's emotional distress at being widowed with two young children.

Because Passalaqua was solicited by Kaiser to assist in the epidural, the lawsuit said, the hospital "owed him a duty to exercise reasonable care to prevent foreseeable injuries resulting from his participation."

A spokesman for Oakland, California-based Kaiser Permanente called the death "a tragic accident."

"Some of the allegations in the lawsuit are simply that -- allegations. The legal process is under way and we should respect that," said Kaiser spokesman Jim Anderson.


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KEYWORDS: accident; birth; epidural; lawsuit; liability; procedures
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To: Darkwolf377
This is an easy win for the plaintiff. Emotion will trump logic. The staff did a idiotic thing but it is hardly worth a several million $ payout.

Hospital will definitely try and settle out but the lawyers for the woman definitely have the upper hand. Hope we all enjoy paying our huge insurance premiums, personal injury lawyers sure as heck don't.
121 posted on 07/07/2005 2:49:09 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: BenLurkin

I couldn't bring myself to be in the room when my twins were born. I knew i'd faint for sure. My wifes sister volunteered to go in for me so my wife wouldn't be alone.

I guess i'm a wuss ....

The funny thing is I can take pain, no problem. Even a cut that bleeds doens't bother me, but if I have to have blood drawn or have to see the inside of a human I just turn pale and usually end up on the floor.


122 posted on 07/07/2005 2:49:45 PM PDT by republican2005
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To: SALChamps03

"Her husband is dead because he was a pu$$y."

You're brain-dead because you're an inconsiderate asshole.


123 posted on 07/07/2005 2:50:06 PM PDT by John Robertson
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To: John Robertson
your daughter's husband were gone unexpectedly, leaving her with kids, and his earning power and everything else he provided gone

That's what life insurance is for. Has trying to find someone to sue replaced that?

124 posted on 07/07/2005 2:50:19 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: rollo tomasi
"The staff did a idiotic thing but it is hardly worth a several million $ payout."

Please analyze that. If it was idiotic, how much is the loss of a young husband and new dad worth? In lost earnings and just in not having a dad the rest of your life. BTW I'm not saying the hospital is liable for that, but if they were ....

125 posted on 07/07/2005 2:59:30 PM PDT by Williams
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To: John Robertson

Youre right, accidents do happen..and this is one of them.

It is sad and tragic..however, the bottom line will be, in what way was he asked to "assist" and in what context in order for the lawsuit to have any weight in court.

I have asked family members of my patients to "hold" their loved ones...during procedures and even during death..Does that make me responsible if they pass out and die?? no, it doesnt.

And Yes, some comments on this thread have been pretty brutal.

:o)


126 posted on 07/07/2005 3:03:39 PM PDT by motormouth
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To: Pharmboy

You can't win in this situation. I've seen families have melt downs because they were told they could only have one family member in the room during the epidural - it isn't a spectator sport. I've seen experienced EMT/firefighters turn green when it's their loved one who's the patient.

Kick 'em out and they're angry, let 'em stay and faint and they sue.

Glad I"m not doing OB anymore:)


127 posted on 07/07/2005 3:06:04 PM PDT by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: Darkwolf377

Look, Pussy Boy, you're the one who's getting all emotional--do you cry at kitten pictures?

I laid out some logic. I have some legal background. Lawyers have weighed in, saying there IS a case here. But you apparently are incapable of understanding that. The gas company parks a truck at the top of a hill; the driver forgets to chock the wheels. It rolls down the hill... through your front window, killing your wife and kids. Man, that's tragic. And of course, you would NEVER bring any legal action, because we all have to live with "accidents," don't we?

You have to keep stomping around and dumping on a dead man cut down in the prime of life, under circumstances that were under the hospital's control (and when a medical professional asked him to do something, was he really supposed to say, Not for me, I'm squeamish? Maybe he just wanted to participate as much as he could in the birth of his child...and convinced himself he could get through it just fine. We call that an act of love. Maybe he had no issues with blood...but needles were a problem. And then he sees the biggest needle he ever saw...plunging into his wife's back...you are one callous bastard to say that the first time something happens to someone is just too bad--he should have "known about it.")...and dumping on a guy who left behind a wife and children. Do you really think that your behavior makes anyone here think you're tough?

Don't waste your time?

Why don't you do everybody here a favor, and think your inane ramblings through before wasting digital trees.

"If you can't debate my points and can just whine, just don't waste my time replying to my posts with silly nothing responses, ok? Good day."

You don't have any points. You're just a freakin bully who's got a whole bucket of bile you're looking to dump on people. Everything that was shitty in your life remains just as shitty even if this case never existed. Think on it. G'day!


128 posted on 07/07/2005 3:08:33 PM PDT by John Robertson
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To: Pharmboy

Yikes. My husband can't stand needles either, so when he was asked to assist with the epidural, he held me steady and DIDN'T LOOK at the procedure at all. He would've fainted for sure. He was able, however, to watch the surgeon cut me open and take the baby out without so much as a grimace. Some people's husbands are so wierd! :o)


129 posted on 07/07/2005 3:09:39 PM PDT by P-Chan Penny (Eat a toad for breakfast.... it's the worst thing that will happen to you all day!)
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To: Williams
The hospital in a perfect world would have enough staff. But guess what, most hospitals and clinics run on skeleton staffs.

I said idiotic due to the fact hospitals should know sharks sense blood and this was definitely a blunder. But when you are pushing a 12 hr shift and having to do an epidural before the patient goes full effaced and crossing your fingers help can arrive you are bond to do whatever it takes. Even asking for help from non medical personnel.

Should that warrant a million $ payout? If the one doing the epidural clocked the guy with a sledgehammer yes, but asking for help, hell no.

To close, in a perfect world the family should get $0. Unfortunately we live in a world filled with lawyers and juries raised on Oprah.
130 posted on 07/07/2005 3:13:41 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: motormouth

"I have asked family members of my patients to "hold" their loved ones...during procedures and even during death..Does that make me responsible if they pass out and die?? no, it doesnt."

Please: Tell your liability insuror that you invite the family members of patients to " 'hold' their loved ones during procedures," and ask them if that's okay.

I thought so.

"Does that make me responsible if they pass out and die?? no, it doesnt."

Depends on the circumstances. Lawyers have already weighed in on the circumstances under discussion, and said that they believe the plaintiff has a valid case, and will win.


131 posted on 07/07/2005 3:14:26 PM PDT by John Robertson
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To: republican2005

Doesnt make you a wuss...just honest. :o)


132 posted on 07/07/2005 3:15:31 PM PDT by motormouth
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To: P-Marlowe
They have to assume that non-medical personnel might faint at the sight of a spinal needle being inserted. It is not unforseeable.

If that's the case then expect to see dad's kicked out of delivery rooms and C Sections, based on that argument. There are all kinds of blood, guts and needles seen throughout the delivery process. Frankly dad's can usually see less by being around on the other side facing his wife and holding her hand and talking to her. If they aren't occupied in that fashion they usually stand around and watch over the anesthesiologist's shoulder. Often comments that aren't helpful to the parturient like "WOW look at the size of that needle" are verbalized. If they're going to stay in the room - the best place for 'em holding the woman's hand.

133 posted on 07/07/2005 3:18:14 PM PDT by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: Minn

Please, please tell me you do not show that video to anyone but yourself and your wife.

Trust me. No one wants to see your child being born but you.

Nothing personal . . . I don't want to see ANY child being born that's not mine.


134 posted on 07/07/2005 3:19:55 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Go Team Venture!)
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To: John Robertson

Ohhh boy.

Okay, I said "hold" them, not hold them down, not restrain them. Big difference.


Oh, I believe she will win.. the story is heartwrenching and has all the ingredients for a huge settlement.


135 posted on 07/07/2005 3:20:57 PM PDT by motormouth
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To: mlc9852

I don't blame the family of the victim. They are grieving, distressed, and aren't thinking clearly. The lawyers, however, don't have any excuse for this BS.


136 posted on 07/07/2005 3:23:50 PM PDT by conservatrice
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To: Pharmboy
Picture of our "hero" before he fainted!


137 posted on 07/07/2005 3:29:21 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (I can resist everything except temptation. -- Oscar Wilde.)
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To: Dashing Dasher

You're not kidding, are you? Hell, if I'd know he looked like this, I never would have defended him or his wife. (Seriously, maybe we should all take an hour or two out now and go through all the pictures and get rid of every one where we look stupid ((that will be about 3 out of 4, for me)) and destroy them, 'cause we're all gonna die someday.)


138 posted on 07/07/2005 3:35:19 PM PDT by John Robertson
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To: not_apathetic_anymore; jude24; blue-duncan
If that's the case then expect to see dad's kicked out of delivery rooms and C Sections, based on that argument.

Any Hospital that allows the husband stand around and watch a c-section deserves any lawsuit that comes along as a result of him falling down and striking his head.

In this case the husband was acting as a physician's assistant. Perhaps the hosptials may no longer allow husbands to stand next to their wives while they get spinal epidurals. No big loss in my book. As long as the hospitials allow bystanders to participate in medical procedures, they run the risk that they bystanders could get hurt if they faint and fall on the ground.

In this case you have a widowed mother of two who would not be a widow if the hospital had anticipated the husband fainting at the site of a 6 inch needle being inserted into his wife's spine. In my opinion there probably was negligence. If a lawsuit is filed, then it is a legitimate claim. While it may have been an accident, it was a foreseeable situation and provisions should have been in place to prevent the type of injury that occurred.

If it is any help, my practice is devoted to representing insurance companies and businesses, including hospitals. I see a lot of bogus claims. I don't think this would be considered one of them.

139 posted on 07/07/2005 3:36:55 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with.)
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To: beaversmom

I hate needles but I have never fainted.


140 posted on 07/07/2005 3:37:14 PM PDT by onef
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