DAY 68 DUmmies Held Hostage

Or in words that you lurking DUmmies can perfectly understand. DEMOCRATIC UNDERGOUND LIHOP/MIHOP!

BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-09-05 12:02 PM
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We're going to do a segment about Andy on "The Guy James Show" tonight

Personal stories are welcome. We're going to talk about the horrific effort to discredit him and call him a liar and cheat. The Right-Wing attack machine has now crossed over the line.

www.theguyjamesshow.com
guyjames@theguyjamesshow

goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-09-05 12:11 PM
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2. Hello, I've been fighting those f*cks since May 11th. If you want info

about how it started, who they are, etc...

PM me for contact info.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4057032

We need to address what has happened in the Andy Stephenson situation in the several days since the last "DUmmies Held Hostage" and "DUmmie FUnnies" threads were posted. Both DUHH and DUFU had many threads concerning the Andy situation, and thus now certain accusations and threats directed toward us are flying furiously on DU. We could address these new developments by means of new DUHH and/or DUFU threads specifically for that purpose. If either of you, Frank or PJ, is intending to do that, please say so--and approximately when. If you guys are going to be doing threads on this subject, then I will hold my comments until then. Or if you don't intend to do a thread on the subject, please say that, too.

I myself would like to get at the subject via these threads started by Will Pitt on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, respectively:

Say hello to a bottomless rage

For the record

The Best of Us - an essay for Andy

Noted, sir.

In view of recent developments--and possibly more to come--we are contemplating different things, with a different emphasis.

I just posted this on DUFU, and I'll post it here, too:

What we need to address, are the reports that Andy died, the hate-filled accusations that we deliberately intended to harm Andy and are to blame for his death, and the actual threats now directed toward us.

When it became apparent several days ago that Andy was not in fact getting better and had taken a dramatic turn for the worse and now was gravely ill, I said that we should "lay off." And I was willing to let the matter rest. But since then, DU, led by Pitt, has gone wild with hatred, with almost a mob mentality. To some extent I can understand and even excuse a confused, irrational, emotional outburst immediately after the death of a friend. That is natural. Yet I also think we could relieve them of some of this burden of hate they are carrying right now.

Frankly, if/when Pitt calms down a bit, I would like to invite him over here to a thread where we could talk this out--no satire, no invective--and he could see that to raise the same sort of questions he himself raised does not make one a "graveyard rat" or "ghoul" who deliberately tried to kill Andy. For all the poking fun I've done with Pitt over the months, I do recognize that he can think and he can analyze and he can write, in a fashion, although I disagree with his political presuppositions. Perhaps, though, he wants to hold on to his hate and is not willing to engage in a sane dialogue with a FReeper.

BTW, I should add that there are many DUers who have been calmer voices of reason in this and who rightly do not blame us for Andy's death.

Since we were so active in discussing the Andy situation for more than two months, I think we now need to bring some closure to that discussion and respond to these concerns.

Frankly, if/when Pitt calms down a bit, I would like to invite him over here to a thread where we could talk this out--no satire, no invective--and he could see that to raise the same sort of questions he himself raised does not make one a "graveyard rat" or "ghoul" who deliberately tried to kill Andy.

No kidding. If Pitt would calmly think about it, he should realize that those who had the same doubts that he did deserved the same answers he got. In public, not in private.

SD

Since we were so active in discussing the Andy situation for more than two months, I think we now need to bring some closure to that discussion and respond to these concerns.

What will your closure be? All of the behind the screens emails, letters and petitions? Perhaps it will be the FBI filings? Wait...it's probably confirmation on the phone calls I was asked to make.

I don't like to be used or lied to, no matter the party!

No kidding. If Pitt would calmly think about it, he should realize that those who had the same doubts that he did deserved the same answers he got. In public, not in private.

Hey pal, I'm wondering the same.