You know, I noticed that too; the red round one shows up as Andy_Stephenson at the beginning of the thread, but then suddenly metamorphizes into GodBlessBushandCheney, but it's still the red round one.
I remain greatly confused as to why these "bean spill" threads from DUmmieland are relevant to this current fraud. I have read these things so many times I've memorized them, but all I get out of them (in relation to this current fraud) are those subtle hints for donations which eight months later are not so subtle.
But the other stuff, well--I never paid much attention to the controversy even when it was going on in DUmmieland. I know the Bev Harris thing convulsed and earthquaked DUmmieland, but in the real world, it was a negative number on the Richter Scale.
I mean, open and honest elections is not an issue important to me, as long as no one is looking in the right places, such as Cleveland or Philadelphia or Chicago or Boston or Seattle or San Francisco or Milwaukee; they're not likely to find vote tampering in other places, so why don't they look for it where it most likely happens?
So I just never gave it much thought; if they're not going to do it right, going into these Democratic machines, why even bother to try it at all?
So.....I read these threads, and have a "perspective" on the Bev Harris issue as it afflicts DUmmieland.
Of course it is a one-sided, biased perspective, coming from the red round one and the cartoon character DUmmie "Kevin Malice"--I never did know anything of it from the other side, the side tilted in favor of Bev Harris.
This is my "take" on the issue--but remember, it comes from the anti-Bev Harris side, and is tilted in favor of the red round one and the cartoon character; based upon their own words on those threads:
(a) the cartoon character tried to cheat Bev Harris, but she wouldn't let him, so the cartoon character got angry with her;
(b) in the meantime, the red round one was working for Bev Harris and finding ways to cheat her, and let the cartoon character know about it;
(c) the red round one and the cartoon character conspired to cheat Bev Harris anew, but Bev Harris just in time got rid of the red round one, before he could bankrupt her;
(d) the red round one found it easy to solicit donations in DUmmieland playing the sympathy card (i.e., alleging mistreatment by Bev Harris); and
(e) the cartoon character is still mad at Bev Harris because she didn't let him cheat her, and so joined forces again with the red round one.
However, it does not appear the cartoon character is involved in this fraud; this appears a uniquely red round one fraud--the cartoon character is merely "cheerleading" (and probably never gave a dime for the medical expenses of the red round one; that was only for poor people to do), with the idea that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and nothing more.
Okay, this is what I get from these threads, but remember, we are reading the anti-Bev Harris, pro-red round one, side of the story.
Does anybody have any idea about Bev Harris' side of the story?
I fail to see the connection to the current fund raising scam too.
I do notice a complete absence of some of today's prominent players, no sfexpat2000, bettyellen, benburch, miss waverly, and goodboy. And only a cameo appearance to Mr. DeathoftheWrittenWord himself, William Rivers Pitt.
In the third bean spill thread, Andy only makes one comment and then someone asks if Andy will be in Warren County that weekend and greatauntoftriplets answers for him, which is an observation that captures my attention but may not mean anything.
Oh, I just noticed there is a "Beth" posting under the name of "housewolf" could that be the same as sfexpat?
In bean spill 2 he claims not to be accusing Bev of any wrong doing then asserts he knows for a fact that not all checks picked up at the post office on a certain day made it to BBV's bank account and since book keeping duties have already been taken away from him, I wonder how he knows this for a fact.
But none of these observations really tie into the current fund raising questions as far as I can tell.
I guess I wonder, if Andy was posting from Seattle (and I don't know that he was) and he was broke, how did he go to Warren County, which seems to be in Ohio. Was he working for another organization or did he attend as a private citizen?
//I mean, open and honest elections is not an issue important to me, as long as no one is looking in the right places, such as Cleveland or Philadelphia or Chicago or Boston or Seattle or San Francisco or Milwaukee; they're not likely to find vote tampering in other places, so why don't they look for it where it most likely happens?
So I just never gave it much thought; if they're not going to do it right, going into these Democratic machines, why even bother to try it at all? //
Same with me and one other thing that I really don't understand at all...
The Dumbocrats constantly complain about 'voter suppression' and reference long lines, incompetent poll workers, sloppy paperwork, etc. But what they fail to mention at all is that most, if not all, of these situations are in counties that are heavily Dumbocratic and which probably have 99.99% dumbocratic election officials who are responsible for the election process.
Not that these officials wouldn't do anything like try to manipulate the voter turnout.... I have personally experienced that but did not really let it bother me.
I live in a heavily dumbocratic county and the polling place where I vote has two precincts. Both contain a mixture of white and blue collar workers. Until just recently one would trend heavily dumbocratic and the one I voted in would trend just as heavily Republican. Guess which one has the fewest voting machines and the longer lines?
Now the local voters have gotten so disgusted with the national dumbocratic party that both vote heavily Republican on everything except local elections. And now both of the precincts have the same number of machines and the lines are still longer in the Republican one but that is only because more of us vote in that one.