Posted on 06/24/2005 7:13:06 AM PDT by hispanichoosier
I need help with LOTR. Two friends and I were discussing the books and movies last weekend. Friend 1 observed that the relationship between Frodo and Sam (in the movies) had homosexual overtones. Friend 2 retorted that the relationship is based on the master/servant relationship of old England and that Friend 1 was looking at it through American eyes, where rugged individualism is more prized. I--caught in the middle--had to admit that I thought that Sean Astin overplayed Sam at times but was great overall.
So, was Friend 1 right about the gay overtones, or was Friend 2's explanation correct? I'm rather at a loss over the whole debacle.
I read somewhere some time ago...now I wonder if I'm all wet--that a cleft chin is a kind of benign cleft palate--a problem in development that turns into an asset...at least as far as Cary Grant, Kirk Douglas and Robert Mitchem were concerned!
"Bingo. As if two guys can't hang out together - even love one another - without having sexual feelings for one another. There's more to love than sexuality, but seems like society would like us to forget that."
Kind of like Jonathan and David in the Old Testament!
Well, he was just nineteen...when he started the filming. And he looks different without curls.
He has a cute everything!
And he's a good singer.
Man, if I went to Scotland, I'd be turned on all day long....
Don't forget Clark Gable! This is fascinating ... if a larger-than-expected percentage of what are considered the handsomest men ever had cleft chins, does that imply that the feature is linked to some genetic advantage that we're not aware of?
I had no idea ... how nice to learn something new.
Or the brothers in Beau Geste.
I really enjoy all the special features interviews. There's nothing political in those. Their fellowship and love for the work was really genuine and it makes the interviews really fun... by the time you get to the close of filming on a project like that, it was emotional, and for me too.... these movies took up a lot of my time and thought for three years, brought me many new friends, and brought me my husband. Seeing them all saying goodbye is worth a tear or two :~D
I'm sorry, I don't think they're gay, I was just making fun.
(TTTT, still not sure about Elijah. And Dominic Monaghan wears mascara and fingernail polish..)
I had to be dragged to FOTR. I couldn't stand the thought that it would be Spielberged and Disneyed. I knew nothing about the director, and had no faith at all that it would be done well. And I'm somebody who can enjoy a bad movie if the horses are pretty and the costumes good...
I really believe that it could not be possible to do a better job than PJ did. Just turning it into three movies was a superhuman risk. His gathering together of all those artists...The magic of walking though Bag End, though Rivendell (though Rivendell was much different than my own mental picture--I imagined it to be a cozier place), Edoras, and into the Hall at Minas Tirith...wonderful.
Now, PJ, make the Hobbit and Tales From the Silmarillion--and throw in the episode with Tom Bombadil (an artistic short film for DVD only).
Yup, I really missed Tom Bombadil and Goldberry, myself.
Could well be. We could also check to see how large their hands are...
Are we talking about my favorite Scot/hobbit????!! (pippin/billyboyd)
Hair and Co. have already read me whine ad nauseum on other threads, so I'll just say : I was very pleasantly surprised by the movie/actors and blown away with what they achieved...but Film Pippin is not the Book Pippin I see.
My grudging respect of Monaghan, however, does not manage to wipe out the gut reaction I have towards him though, and that, I am afraid is just pure dislike. I couldnt' tell you why I dislike him, and I am not the world's best at character judgements, but every once in a while I see or meet someone whose vibes strike me all wrong. Usually, when that happens, its because I will ultimately find out soemthing about them that I dont like....and that does not necessarily mean it will be because he is gay. I really couldn't care less if he is. there is just something about him I do not like.
The fact that "he doth protest too much" about being gay could be part of that. i don't know.
I am afraid I am one of those people who was quite relieved that Jackson left that part of LOTR out. that was the one part of the novels that I really disliked. bombadil annoyed the heck out of me. I almost stopped reading the books when I got to that part, and really didnt get interested again until the hobbits found themselves in the Barrow Downs. I wish PJ had put something like THAT in there...that would have been more in his line of work, as far as horror is concerned.
If you havent already, check out "Frighteners". it has Michael J Fox in it and is really quite good!
ROFL!!! I love it!!
More like drooling about him .:-9
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