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Lord of the Rings - help needed (vanity)

Posted on 06/24/2005 7:13:06 AM PDT by hispanichoosier

I need help with LOTR. Two friends and I were discussing the books and movies last weekend. Friend 1 observed that the relationship between Frodo and Sam (in the movies) had homosexual overtones. Friend 2 retorted that the relationship is based on the master/servant relationship of old England and that Friend 1 was looking at it through American eyes, where rugged individualism is more prized. I--caught in the middle--had to admit that I thought that Sean Astin overplayed Sam at times but was great overall.

So, was Friend 1 right about the gay overtones, or was Friend 2's explanation correct? I'm rather at a loss over the whole debacle.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: aragorn; bilbo; fanboy; frodo; gandalf; lord; rings; sam; thisthreadisgay; tolkien
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To: Tax-chick

The other actor that cracks me up to see the change when he was out of character is Billy Boyd. He has such a thick Scottish accent in real life, that when he was interviewed he had only one vowel "EA" Sometimes he's incomprehensible in interviews!


101 posted on 06/24/2005 9:00:18 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

The contrast between character and actor is more than usually pronounced in this case. Not that there's anything wrong with an actor's being a personal cipher, but it's still a surprise when one is used to, say, Charlton Heston.


102 posted on 06/24/2005 9:01:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

He has a cute voice.


103 posted on 06/24/2005 9:04:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: Tax-chick

Cute, but completely indecipherable at times ;~D


104 posted on 06/24/2005 9:05:27 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

In films you can understand him. It's like my uncles from Belfast ... you just have to get your mental filter adjusted.


105 posted on 06/24/2005 9:06:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: HairOfTheDog; Tax-chick

Heh...at one point he had some audio interviews on his website...my sister and I listened to some, as they related to his time when filming LOTR. The interviewer was a Scot, too. You could understand them as long as you paid a lot of attention, so long as they were speaking calmly. Every so often they'd crack each other up...and there was no WAY you could decipher it. Just a lot of Scottish sounds. ;-)


106 posted on 06/24/2005 9:07:24 AM PDT by RosieCotton (The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese. - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Tax-chick

Yep...


107 posted on 06/24/2005 9:07:46 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton

Sigh.

Scottish accents.


108 posted on 06/24/2005 9:08:58 AM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog

Like my uncles when they're drunk.


109 posted on 06/24/2005 9:09:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: JenB

Grand, aren't they?

I'll avoid hi-jacking the thread with my favorite, though. ;-)


110 posted on 06/24/2005 9:10:06 AM PDT by RosieCotton (The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese. - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: RosieCotton

The subtitles on DVD features fix that. It's great!


111 posted on 06/24/2005 9:10:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: RosieCotton

Ah, you couldn't hijack the HP thread yesterday, you can't hijack this one today.


112 posted on 06/24/2005 9:11:19 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

Does that mean we're still talking about whether Frodo and Sam are gay or not?


113 posted on 06/24/2005 9:12:27 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Tax-chick

Yep! Doesn't work with audio interviews, though. But we just did a lot of rewinding and playing little parts over. Not much of a hardship.


114 posted on 06/24/2005 9:13:49 AM PDT by RosieCotton (The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese. - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I think we answered that one.

Boring question anyway.


115 posted on 06/24/2005 9:14:02 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB

What can I say? I like nice voices.

And I wasn't the ONLY one who lapsed into Alan Rickman discussion on the HP thread. Can't blame me!


116 posted on 06/24/2005 9:15:14 AM PDT by RosieCotton (The poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese. - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: hispanichoosier
The homovertones were from the two little hobbits who queerly jumped on the bed with each other towards the end of the final movie.

Now that was gay indeed.

117 posted on 06/24/2005 9:15:18 AM PDT by carolinacrazy (What?!...That could never happen in a.... world.)
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To: JenB

I agree...

But since then, I think the thread has been officially hijacked ;~D


118 posted on 06/24/2005 9:16:00 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton; Tax-chick; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
How I long for a new movie installment...and I can't admit now how many times I've watched the extended versions. Now that I've practically memorized it, I've decided that Theoden and Gandalf were the best realized characters from the book. I loved how Arwen turned into Luthien/Celebrian/Glorfindel and wore the coolest gown and spoke the most elvish. I honestly think that if Tolkien saw the PJ Arwen treatment, he'd have wished he'd written her that way.

I still remember that first opening sequence of FOTR, though, and the delight and the astonishment..."Galadriel's talking...! There's the Shire! There's Gandalf in the Cart! He's singing the Road song!" And the warm spot PJ will have in my heart for my favorite Christmas presents for three years running.

The funniest thing about my first viewing of FOTR is that I absolutely did not hear the soundtrack, so blown away was I about everything else.

The artwork of LOTR, though, far surpasses everything else. I loved the sets the very best...and I recommend all those coffee table books with their beautiful pictures.

119 posted on 06/24/2005 9:16:43 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: carolinacrazy

Actually there were ~four~ hobbits in the bed at the end.


120 posted on 06/24/2005 9:17:08 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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