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Spartan! Finally, a film touches on the Clintons mode of government!
Spartan imbd site ^ | 2004 | David Mamet

Posted on 06/23/2005 9:59:41 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2

Plot Outline: The investigation into a kidnapping of the daughter of a President that has Bill and Hillary Clinton's MO... And that MO is 'tom catting around' for Bill and 'Never letting the law nor morals get in the way' of Hillary and her goals.


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: bell; bill; clinton; culp; david; dean; democrats; durbin; ed; h; hillary; kilmer; kristen; macy; mamet; oneill; pelosi; ried; schummer; steven; val; william
I have never been a big fan of Val Kilmer nor David Mamet, yet I have noticed several times the film Spartan being shown on Cinemax. The tag-line reads: "Special-operations agents investigate slave traders."

Not much to recommend it, eh?

Well, tonight, I watched it... And was blown away!

First, I was surprised to see David Mamet being both the writer and director. Steven Culp, Ed O'Neill, Kristen Bell and William H. Macy are in the cast. Then as the plot unfolded, it seems the First Daughter goes missing just as the reelection campaign is starting. As Val and other government agents begin to tracker her down, it appears she has been kidnapped by Arabian crooks who white slave young girls into Mideast prostitution ring.

Val and the Feds are pretty ruthless in searching for the girl and follow the trail with a planned strike into Dubia to rescue her. Yet the generic CNN flashes that the First Daughter has been found drown in a boating accident. The rescue is folded

Val goes on leave when one of the agents brings him proof the girl was not drown and is, in fact, in Dubia. Val decides to go after her, but when he apporaches the grieving First Lady, a female Secret Service Agent stops him until he shows the proof.

The Secret Service Agent tells him the Prez flew in to 'tom cat around' and pulled his daughter's security detail, thus allowing her to be taken. When Val asks why would the Prez & First Lady allow such, the Secret Agent replies, "These people are animals!"

Bingo! The Arkansas Razorback Band started playing "Hail to Chief" in my mind.

Yes, I can imagine Bill and Hillary allowing the small sacrifice of their daughter to their political goals. These are the folks who allow nothing to stand in their way.

Well, the films plays out in a predictable fashion and in the end, the whole kidnap matter is played out to praise the Prez and his reelection. But it is a fairly entertaining film, especially the Clinton slant.

Now, I hate films where the US Government and/or Government Agents are always the bad guys, but this one is more plausible that most. Especially when you listen to the Democrats every day spout lie after lie after lie.

I am sure some will say Hollywood would only allow a film to show Republican/Conservative Presidents to be bad guys, but with this President being a 'tom catting' slime can only mean Clinton.

No wonder the film never had any buzz and went straight to video and cable

Any one else, seen this and had the same reaction?

1 posted on 06/23/2005 9:59:42 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2
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To: sonofatpatcher2

Was this on cable or DVD?


2 posted on 06/23/2005 10:15:06 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sonofatpatcher2
I have never been a big fan of Val Kilmer

Val Kilmer was once asked to name his list of the ten best movies of all time. He named:

• The Salton Sea (2002)
• Pollock (2000)
• The Saint (1997)
• The Island of Dr. Moreau (1996)
• Batman Forever (1995)
• Tombstone (1993)
• The Doors (1991)
• Gore Vidal's Billy the Kid (1989)
• Willow (1988)
• Top Gun (1986)

All are movies that he had either a staring or supporting role.

3 posted on 06/23/2005 10:16:39 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Out of the mainstream..........................and better off for it!!)
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To: sheik yerbouty
It was on Cinemax tonight and has been running on there for more than a month. I assume it is out on DVD.
4 posted on 06/23/2005 10:19:37 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Michael.SF.
The only one of these I enjoyed were Tombstone, Heat and Spartan... And such as his reply is one of the reasons I don't care much for Val
5 posted on 06/23/2005 10:22:09 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: sonofatpatcher2

I must've seen a different movie. This was a metaphor against US Involvement in the Middle East, "Stay out of the Desert", the William H. Macy character was the neo-Con villain, and the film ends w/ the noble hero unable and unwilling to return to the U.S., symbolically renouncing his citizenship because of the U.S.'s foolish intervention in the middle east. So what the president in the film is a pervert? That's Hollywood's view of balance. "We'll admit that Democrats are perverts, but you admit that everything about you and your GOP worldview is Nazified and 110% evil! That's fair!" The evil Gov't in Spartan veiled itself in patriotism and mantras of working in "America's best interest". The key message of the film was that the war on terror is a sham and neo-cons are fascists, and all noble leftists basically have "no home" (referring to the final line)in modern day America.


6 posted on 06/23/2005 10:26:06 PM PDT by 0siris
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To: 0siris
I guess we did see two different films as I remember nothing in the film suggesting the William H. Macy character was a Neo-Con. Matter of fact, nothing suggested anyone was a Neo-Con...

The "Stay out of the desert" comment was because the aroma of American tobacco can be smelled in the desert.

And where you got: "The evil Gov't in Spartan veiled itself in patriotism and mantras of working in "America's best interest". The key message of the film was that the war on terror is a sham and neo-cons are fascists, and all noble leftists basically have "no home" (referring to the final line)in modern day America" is beyond me.

I suggest you rewind the film you watched and see it again...
7 posted on 06/23/2005 10:37:15 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Michael.SF.
Billy Idol was first choice to play Jim Morrison in The Doors.

A near-fatal motorcycle accident put Billy out of commission and Val got the role instead.

Billy got a bit part in the movie and is always shown sitting down due to the body cast he still wore.

Billy woulda done Mr Mojo true cinematic justice although I think Michael Ian Black would've been a great "dead ringer", physically, with the right hair.


8 posted on 06/23/2005 11:07:01 PM PDT by Salamander (Tom Fury knows!)
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To: sonofatpatcher2; 0siris

I think both of you are reading into this flick.

This politico was a generic, but powerful Senator... possibly a leading member of the House.

The movie didn't say a damn thing about the politics of the unnamed guy; just that people on his level will do anything for power. (whether or not that is correct is up to the viewer.)

I loved the movie! Kilmer reminded me of Keifer Sutherland's Jack Baure, but without the personality.


9 posted on 06/23/2005 11:46:06 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: sonofatpatcher2

We bought the DVD recently. It's a very good movie and Mamet is wonderfully literate.


10 posted on 06/23/2005 11:53:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: sonofatpatcher2

Thanks!


11 posted on 06/24/2005 12:24:39 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sonofatpatcher2

I saw it; liked it very much.


12 posted on 06/24/2005 12:30:32 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 12 Years)
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To: sonofatpatcher2

I agree with you on those three picks as the best of Kilmer's work. He is a very talented actor, but he has serious ego issues.


13 posted on 06/24/2005 12:35:01 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: Mr. Blonde
You are forgetting Real Genius which for a mediocre movie, has some of the best movie lines ever.
Something strange happened to me this morning. Chris Knight: Was it a dream where you see yourself in, sort of, Sun God robes, on a pyramid, with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? Mitch Taylor: No. Chris Knight: Why am I the only person that has that dream?

14 posted on 06/25/2005 9:40:22 PM PDT by delapaz (http://www.nixguy.com)
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