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Cops shoot family dog (after entering family's backyard without a warrant)
Daily Bulletin ^ | 5.26,05 | Melissa Pinion-Whitt

Posted on 05/28/2005 12:34:03 PM PDT by ambrose

Cops shoot family dog

Family upset after incident in backyard

By Melissa Pinion-Whitt

Staff Writer

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - ONTARIO - A police officer investigating a fraud case shot and killed a dog in a residential backyard Wednesday.

The 6-year-old boxer named Rocky charged at the officer when he entered the backyard in the 900 block of West G Street around noon. Police were at the home to interview a man suspected of credit card fraud and walked into the backyard because they saw him and suspected he might try to flee.

"The officer felt the dog was going to attack him, so the officer shot the dog," said Ontario police Detective Al Parra. "The officer, in backing away, trips on something and falls down on his back. He sees the dog still coming, so he fires two more shots, which killed the dog."

Family members, who were devastated by the shooting, said the dog was just doing what he was trained to do: protect the property.

"He never bit anybody. He's never hurt anybody. All he's ever done is guard his home and protect his family," said Martin Pina, who lives at the home with his wife and five children.

Martin's daughter, Gloria, said the dog was always obedient and wouldn't even run away if the family accidentally left the gate open.

"It wasn't just a dog to us. He's one of us," she said.

Police came to the home looking for Gloria's brother, Mario Pina, 23. The officer heard loud music and saw the man in the backyard, where he was doing yard work. The officer shouted at him, and when Pina didn't respond, he entered the backyard, Parra said.

Pina was arrested on suspicion of fraud and burglary and was booked into West Valley Detention Center.

Parra said it is not common that officers shoot dogs, but it sometimes occurs during arrests.

"The officer has a right to protect himself. He has a right to use deadly force if he feels he's about to be attacked by an animal."

Martin Pina argued that police shouldn't have been in his backyard because they didn't have a warrant or authorization to be there.

Police said they don't need a warrant to go into someone's backyard if they are at a residence to make an arrest and see the person in the backyard. Officers need warrants to go into someone's home, Parra said.

The incident is being investigated as an officer-involved shooting. The officer, whose name was withheld pending the outcome of the case, was not placed on administrative leave, Parra said.

Melissa Pinion-Whitt can be reached by e-mail at m_pinion-whitt@dailybulletin.com or by phone at (909) 483-9378.


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To: Owl_Eagle

MOST cops are dirty.

One easy way to tell is to look at statisically significant surveys of corruption. For example, 80% of CHP chiefs retire in disability.

That means that, even compared with the typically fraudulent and corrupt disability retirement rate for cops, CHP chiefs are Kings of Corruption. They are literaly bigger felons, in terms of ill gotten gains, than 99% of drug dealers.

Cops lie and defraud casually, because they think they are entitled, and because they think they will never be called to account. No matter what rock you turn over in law enforcement, you find corruption. The only difference between US and Mexico cops is that US cops find it easier to defraud the system and taxpayers as a class than to engage in retail corruption, though plenty of them do that, too.

And the whole Catholic Irish cop thing is passe: corruption among cops knows no race or sex boundary. Why do you ask?


41 posted on 05/28/2005 1:42:30 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Yes I can easily draw such a distinction. Now, can you draw the distinction between a cop that can handle the arrest of a non-violent suspect without discharging his firearm and a fool that can't? The VAST majority of us can.


42 posted on 05/28/2005 1:42:36 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: eno_
I notice you have a rather loud and venomous mouth when spewing your bilge behind the comfort of your computer.

Were you and I to meet in person, I somehow believe you would be sqealing like a little pig.

43 posted on 05/28/2005 1:50:14 PM PDT by G.Mason ( It's people like you, that make people like me, people like you!)
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To: Owl_Eagle
States and municipalities don't have any grounds to grant authority to enforce laws? Where's that in The Constitution? I'm pretty sure the Tenth grants that authority.

Of course States have the power to enforce the laws--but they are Constitutionally prohibited from violating anyone's rights in the process. Just because they are enforcing the rules gives them no license to disobey them themselves.

44 posted on 05/28/2005 1:51:17 PM PDT by sourcery (Resistance is futile: We are the Blog)
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To: Skooz
It was a BOXER.

If he was approaching the rogue cop, it was almost certainly with intention of licking him.

Yeah, you're right, a boxer could never be aggressive.  That's why they never cross them with pit bulls. 
 
These folks all had it coming to 'em too.
I conceed the point, the cop should a just waited and let the dog do what it may.  If it latched onto his throat, well, let him cross that bridge when he comes to it.
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)


45 posted on 05/28/2005 1:55:37 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle
If an officer is crossing my fence line he better identify himself clearly.

Otherwise our introduction will likely be at gun point. I would hope noone would be killed, but my finger would be on the trigger. If a dark figure in my fenced area reacts to 'freeze a$$#@$2' by doing anything other then freezing I will feel my life is threatened. If he already shot my dog I will come out shooting. Even if he identifys himself after shooting my dog he better be prepaired to drop his gun. Anybody can say they are cops.

46 posted on 05/28/2005 1:58:11 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Owl_Eagle
So if a police officer is chasing a felon and he crosses through your property, you should be able to shoot him?

Yes, if the circumstances justify it. All armed tresspassers should have the same legal status. Of course, I do not advocate the automatic shooting of armed tresspassers as the default, expected or optimal policy. The property owner should be able to demonstrate reasonable cause to fear for his life, based on the situation and the actions of the tresspasser. If the owner knows it's a cop (or anyone else) attempting to enforce the law and/or apprehend a miscreant, and that can be proven, he should not in such a case be immune from prosecution and conviction for murder.

47 posted on 05/28/2005 1:58:49 PM PDT by sourcery (Resistance is futile: We are the Blog)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Boxer attacks against humans are exceedingly rare.

Note that it took you so long to google up even those meager examples (Boxer mix? Yeah, right).

The article never says that the rogue cop was even threatened or approached by the dog.

Even the rogue cop and his bretheren don't make the charge (although I am sure the official report will state how ferocious the dog was before the brave cop blew him away).

The rogue cop was in the wrong. Period.


48 posted on 05/28/2005 1:59:44 PM PDT by Skooz (Admit Nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter Accusations.)
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To: eno_
80% of CHP chiefs retire in disability.
 
That couldn't possibly have anything to do with the dangerous nature of the work, capturing felons, letting dogs attack, huh?
 
That's a pretty small group to use for your sample, do you have anything more substantial, or are you just going to take a very small group and extrapolate that over a very large group?  How about all cops in CA vs all fire fighters in CA, that would make a valid survey.
 
If you just want to take a very small group and draw a conclusion about a large group, you could have some fun with, oh, David Duke and all Republicans, I've seen that logic in effect over at a rival website.
 
Stereotypes are fun and easy!
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)


49 posted on 05/28/2005 2:03:51 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: G.Mason
Can't argue his point. So attack the person.

Perhaps you could address the fact that 80% of CHP chiefs are defrauding the system? Minus of course the tiny % that actually becomes disabled working as a chief. The chiefs are stealing from the truely disabled officers. The inevitable conseqence of such corruption is a cutback on disability pensions.

It's easy to see how much respect we should give the police. Just watch what the police do. How much respect to cops give internal affairs cops? That's how much respect they say we should give them (do as they do, not as they say).

50 posted on 05/28/2005 2:04:26 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Owl_Eagle
That couldn't possibly have anything to do with the dangerous nature of the work, capturing felons, letting dogs attack, huh?

As a chief?

Their job is mostly administrative. As I said upthread the chiefs are stealing from the mouths of truely disabled officers and their widows and children.

51 posted on 05/28/2005 2:06:11 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Skooz
The article never says that the rogue cop was even threatened or approached by the dog.
[2nd paragraph] The 6-year-old boxer named Rocky charged at the officer
 
No offense, I'm as guilty as anyone on FR of commenting without reading the article, but out of general respect for other posters, I don't debate without reading the article.
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)


52 posted on 05/28/2005 2:08:16 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

A Boxer CHARGED AT the rogue cop?

Big deal.

That's what Boxers do, tongue hanging, tail wagging, eager to meet the new friend.

Nothing even remotely suggests that the dog ATTACKED the rogue cop.

The best the his buddies could come up with was "The officer has a right to protect himself. He has a right to use deadly force if he feels he's about to be attacked by an animal."

According to this cop, the rogue cop "felt" threatened. His wimpy feelings doomed an innocent animal and deprived a family of a beloved pet.


53 posted on 05/28/2005 2:13:29 PM PDT by Skooz (Admit Nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter Accusations.)
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To: Dinsdale
If you look real carefully, you may notice that I did not post to this thread until I was attacked.

I have no knowledge of CHP chiefs. Have made no allegations and made no comments on this thread about it. You have knowledge of corruption? Then report it.

54 posted on 05/28/2005 2:14:26 PM PDT by G.Mason ( It's people like you, that make people like me, people like you!)
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To: G.Mason
I have to side with you on this one.

I have nothing but contempt for the rogue cop in the article, but the OVERWHELMING number pf cops I have seen and dealt with have been professional, brave and a credit to their departments.

I have nothing but admiration for them and appreciation for the job they do.
55 posted on 05/28/2005 2:16:42 PM PDT by Skooz (Admit Nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter Accusations.)
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To: Skooz
That's what Boxers do, tongue hanging, tail wagging, eager to meet the new friend.

Not only did you not read the article, you didn't read the three articles from the past week I supplied in a previous post.
 
You can continue to believe with all your might that the cop should have let the dog do whatever he wanted to (after all, dogs and humans are of equal value, right?  That's what PETA told me) but the dog is dead, the officer will be shortly vindicated and dogs of felons that attack police officers will continue to be put down.
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)


56 posted on 05/28/2005 2:29:19 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: ambrose
There is no doubt in my mind that what we've seen happen in the last 20 years has been a gradual transition from Andy Griffith, to Barney Fife.

Its about what toys we can extract from the taxpayer and how much money.

57 posted on 05/28/2005 2:34:46 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: ambrose
"Police said they don't need a warrant to go into someone's backyard if they are at a residence to make an arrest and see the person in the backyard. Officers need warrants to go into someone's home, Parra said."

Is that true? Does the warrant only apply to a home, without respect to other private property? Officers may trespass?

58 posted on 05/28/2005 2:38:10 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Owl_Eagle
I do not believe for a second that the dog "attacked" the rogue cop. If you wish to live in a state of constant gullibility, be my guest.

I didn't say that the rogue cop should " have let the dog do whatever he wanted to," I merely stated the glaring fact that not even the other cops said he was attacked.

I also never said that "humans are of equal value," and how you could infer that from my posts is bizarre. Pretty pathetic attempt at a PETA blast, btw.

the officer will be shortly vindicated

Of course he will. The official report will start something like: "There I was, all alone and confronted with a vicious, bloodthirsty, Cujo-like Hound of Hell........."

and dogs of felons citizens that attack police officers are minding their own business in a fenced backyard will continue to be put down shot by wimpy LEOs with a shoot-the-dog fetish.

59 posted on 05/28/2005 2:41:45 PM PDT by Skooz (Admit Nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter Accusations.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

LOL!


60 posted on 05/28/2005 2:48:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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