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Is Juror Annullment illegal?
Law and Order TV show | May 22, 2005 | knarf

Posted on 05/22/2005 4:31:57 PM PDT by knarf

Last night, during a "Law and Order" episode, the 'judge' said that juror annullment was illegal.


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A juror had been caught communicating with the defendent and during the questioning, the juror (ultimately kicked from the jury), made the comment that she would try to annull the law using juror annullment.

The judge flared back with a couple of her own lines, one especially being that juror annullment was illegal.

The setting for Law and Order is NYC, so my question is;

Is it true juror annullment is illegal?
Is it something peculiar to NY(C)?
Was the statement just another lie to eminate from the tube?

1 posted on 05/22/2005 4:31:57 PM PDT by knarf
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To: knarf

Unless the law's been changed, or the FIJA (Fully Informed Jury Association) has been putting out bad info, jury annulment is still legal.


2 posted on 05/22/2005 4:33:51 PM PDT by thoughtomator (So you're a feminist... that's so cute!)
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To: knarf

I guess you mean jury nullification. That's when the jury believes that a person is guilty of breaking a certain law, but votes innocent because they believe the law is unjust. Just saying because some people think the O. J. Simpson trial was jury nullification. Not unless the jury thought murder was just duckie. . .

It is not illegal, although some people would like you to think so.


3 posted on 05/22/2005 4:33:58 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: knarf; All

American Jury Institute/Fully Informed Jury Association: Home

A non-profit educational association whose mission is to inform all Americans about their rights, powers and responsibilties when serving as trial jurors.
www.fija.org/ - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

4 posted on 05/22/2005 4:35:10 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: knarf

Lawyer shows on tv should be illegal


5 posted on 05/22/2005 4:35:33 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: knarf

A jury finding of not guilty, for whatever reason, is not subject to appeal.


6 posted on 05/22/2005 4:35:40 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ahayes
Right!
Jury nullification.
Too many synapses not firing these days ....

Thanx for the clarification.

7 posted on 05/22/2005 4:37:31 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: knarf
The judge flared back with a couple of her own lines, one especially being that juror annullment was illegal.

Tell the judge at your next trail that it is your duty as a juror to not only determine if the defendent is guilty or innocent but also to to determine if the law is fair and just. Watch the judge turn into the Tasmanian Devil, trust me, I know.

8 posted on 05/22/2005 4:37:36 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: thoughtomator

All findings of fact in the American Judicial system are supposed to be findings of the Jury. The Jury finding can not be overturned.

What the Jury can not do is find someone guilty, but the law unconstitutional, so in that sense, the legal community is right, there is no juror annulment.

Jury Forman:
"The defendent is innocent, if he gives back the cows."

Judge:"This verdict is improper."

Jury Forman:
"The defendent is innocent, and he can keep the cows."


9 posted on 05/22/2005 4:37:46 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (i)
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To: ScreamingFist

Good way to get out of jury duty!


10 posted on 05/22/2005 4:38:14 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: knarf

jury nullification technically is NOT legal, in that it violates the specific instructions of the court with respect to following the applicable law. HOWEVER, once a person is acquitted, that's it. The jurors have not committed a crime, but they HAVE violated their oath as jurors (in New York anyway) wherein they agree to follow the judge's instructions on the law. A distinction without a difference, perhaps, as the jurors can never be called to answer for their verdict, and any evidence of nullification is anecdotal rather than testimonial.
-A Judge Who Knows


11 posted on 05/22/2005 4:41:51 PM PDT by Cincinnatus
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To: Donald Meaker

As the Irish jury found "The man who stole the horse is not guilty"


12 posted on 05/22/2005 4:43:06 PM PDT by jocon307 (Legal immigrant Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again.)
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To: ahayes
Good way to get out of jury duty!

Yes, use a Fully Informed Jury flier as a bookmark and I guarantee you will never see the inside of a courtroom as a juror.

13 posted on 05/22/2005 4:43:25 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: ScreamingFist

I was a potential juror, and was excused because the defendent was prosecuted for display of a firearm to a "bill collector" on his own property, and the police arrested him for it in his house.

During voir dire I mentioned that as an Army officer I had used display of a firearm to prevent mutiny. The prosecution wanted 12 people who thought that display of a firearm was always bad, and got all 40 people who were exposed to my anectode removed for cause.


14 posted on 05/22/2005 4:49:19 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (i)
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To: Cincinnatus
OK then ..

Hypothetically;

If I sit on a jury deciding a persons guilt or innocense possessing say , a couple of joints, and I think it's a frivolous charge based on (I guess, I don't know), the law that says a joint is illegal possesion, I can, while deciding, voice my opinion that this particular law is stupid and 'we' could find the defendent not guilty on the fact that 'we' in this case determine the law illegal?

15 posted on 05/22/2005 4:53:24 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Donald Meaker
During voir dire I mentioned that as an Army officer I had used display of a firearm to prevent mutiny.

I'm not a lawyer nor have I ever played one on TV, but I believe the voir dire process has turned our juries into nothing more than a "lowest common denominator" system. I think juries should be chosen on a random number basis, at least I would have a chance (like winning the lotto) of actually being judged by my peers.

16 posted on 05/22/2005 5:00:51 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: knarf

No, you keep your mouth shut and steadfastly state during the jury deliberations that "The Prosecution has not proven the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt".


17 posted on 05/22/2005 5:04:55 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ScreamingFist
Voir Dire: A French Term for Jury-Stacking
18 posted on 05/22/2005 5:12:20 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
No, you keep your mouth shut and steadfastly state during the jury deliberations that "The Prosecution has not proven the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt".

;)

19 posted on 05/22/2005 5:16:53 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: DuncanWaring

Excellent article, thank you for the link.


20 posted on 05/22/2005 5:22:22 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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