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Now we don't really "know" if Terri was vegatative do we?

We have one Judge who is not a doctor who made a "legal" decision, not a medical one that Terri was in a Persistent Vegatative State. The Judge ruled it so after 3 doctors examined her. 1 doctor said now way and she can be helped. 1 doctor is totally discredited because he is a "Death Doctor" and is accurately, the quote IS accurate, as saying, "persons in Vegatatve States do not have any rights, they are non persons" He jsut goes aroudn the country, this is his main job, testifying that people are PVS. Then there is a 3rd doctor who said Yes Terri IS PVS.

Fast forward. AFTER the Legal decision in 2002 a Brand New Medical diagnosis was created. It is called Minimully Conscious. Judge Greer, would not permit a re-evaluation of Terri, even with the full knowledge that the art of medicine progressed since he ruled. A fair Judge would have ordered a re-exam because of new medical diagnosis.

33 Health care providers provided depositions that were rpesented to the Judge, he refused to consider any of them. I didn't read them all, but one that carried a whole lot of weight with me was this one Read this guys credentials-

March 3, 2005
Lawrence Huntoon M.D. Neurologist clinical office Derby new York
Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons

I have viewed the short video clips on the Terri Schiavo website. Based on those short clips there appears to be evidence that Ms. Schiavo responds to her mother and is able to distinguish her mother form other persons who interact with her. There is also evidence of sustained visual pursuit, which is the clip where she is following the balloon. These behaviors indicate awareness of the environment, and this type of behavior distinguishes minimally conscious state (MCS) from persistent vegetative state (PVS)

The definition and diagnosis criteria for minimally conscious state were published in “Neurology” in February 2002.

Food and water should be offered to patients in the ordinary way in the case where artificial nutrition and hydration are being terminated. Providing food and water in the natural way, by mouth, constitutes “ordinary care” not “treatment.” Ordinary, comfort care should always be provided irrespective of instructions regarding “limitation of treatment”

I would ask you to go read all the Medical Affidavits (I have read most of them) and then come back and un-equivacally state that Terri was brain dead. See there were a heck of a lot of freepers, myself included that actually did the research, which is why we were all so incensed. If you did not do the research the Main stream media didn't bother to inform you of the facts. The sad part is the public really had to do their own work to find the truth becasue it was not in the MSM (Main Stream Media).

Do you jsut throw statments out to get a reaction?

I would ask you to go read all the Medical Affidavits (I have read most of them) and then come back and un-equivacally state that Terri was brain dead.

Of course I won't. I never said she was "brain dead"! "Brain Dead" isn't what we're talking about..that's an irrelevant issue!

See there were a heck of a lot of freepers, myself included that actually did the research, which is why we were all so incensed.

Well, you didn't do a very good job of your research if at the end of it all you still dont' know the difference between "PVS" and "brain dead." Try less bluster and more facts.

Might I recommend
http://home.comcast.net/~trinity_tx/index.htm
and
http://www.freerepublic.com/~trinitytx/

Do you jsut throw statments out to get a reaction?

No, I write them because they are true. Please stop projecting.

Oh, and...

AFTER the Legal decision in 2002 a Brand New Medical diagnosis was created. It is called Minimully Conscious.

Yes, and the doctors who testified that Mrs. Schiavo was PVS were quite aware of the condition. In fact, Dr. Cranford has used that diagnosis in other high-profile cases, such as Robert Wendland. Dr. Cranford also made it QUITE clear that Mrs. Schiavo is NOT "minimally concious"...she's PVS.

Then you quote someone who says:

"I have viewed the short video clips on the Terri Schiavo website. Based on those short clips there appears to be evidence that Ms. Schiavo responds to her mother and is able to distinguish her mother form other persons who interact with her."

Bias is only reason I can see that you'd listen to a doctor who has not examined the patient--and who is basing his judgements on SELECTIVE clips--rather than listen to ALL THE NEUROLOGISTS who EXAMINED Mrs. Schaivo (except for the National Enquirer one).

If this doctor is TRULY knowledgeable about PVS, then he would know that smiling, crying, limited tracking, etc., are all common in PVS patients. Those who viewed the WHOLE FOUR AND A HALF HOURS OF VIDEO (Greer wasn't the only court to do so) were quite convinced that the diagnosis was correct. IF I could selectively present a few clips of a huge pile of data, wow, what things I could "prove"!!