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Terri: It's not about the "right" to die anymore. It's much worse.

Posted on 03/26/2005 6:13:09 PM PST by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

We have moved beyond the debate about the "right" to die. It's much worse then that.

The situation right now is this: unelected judges vs elected officials. Who is supreme?

Whether you agree or disagree that the person should have the "right" to die is not the matter anymore. The judge, UNELECTED, ordered the starvation of Terri is far more much worse and the precedent for the future of US will be HUGE. Situation like this make me scare to death when I'll be in court knowing that the judges have the power of life and death over me.


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To: Herbie
I tend to agree..I see you're a Newbie so Welcome to FR...Get used to excepting a 1/2 a loaf of bread...the bigger issues sometimes never get addressed because of political expediencies...the end result is the same..it just takes twice as long to achieve a wrong result...Who knows?..maybe its planned that way....
41 posted on 03/26/2005 6:46:38 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Mark in the Old South

Can you name one precedent where the courts have violated or not respected instructions from a Living Will? Having one may not defend you entirely but not having one puts you at the mercy of the court. (And I don't believe that in the legal lexicon, "mercy" has any meaning!)


42 posted on 03/26/2005 6:49:01 PM PST by bubman
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon
Hello,

I have been talking to my Mom (78 yrs old) about this. Her fear (and she is SCARED!) is that even with her wishes in writing, she could be starved to death. I would do everything in my power to stop it, but who knows what the future holds? This is MAJOR, and for those of you here who don't see it way, I hope and pray for you,

MOgirl
43 posted on 03/26/2005 6:49:10 PM PST by MOgirl (My God forgive us...)
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To: bubman

The lesson of Terri is:

An arbitrary court will not be effectively restrained by the directly elected branches.

That fact puts government in default on its obligation to implement our Constitution.


44 posted on 03/26/2005 6:49:30 PM PST by Tax Government (Withhold hydration from the judicial branch of government. Contribute to FR; that may help.)
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To: cincinnati65
"Starvation and dehydration do not constitute torture in any way, but simply allowing for the natural death process to occur."

No, but placing underware over the heads of kind and gentle TERRORISTS is considered torture. What has this nation come to?

45 posted on 03/26/2005 6:54:54 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Re: "After that, Congress should burn the Constitution, right?"

Why not, I don't see anyone in office using it other than as toilet paper. Unless you are concerned about air quality, throwing it away is out, landfill problem. Can't leave it lying around some kid may read it and start asking questions. Now that would be dangerous. //sarcasm off//
46 posted on 03/26/2005 6:55:42 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Tax Government

"The lesson of Terri is:

An arbitrary court will not be effectively restrained by the directly elected branches.

That fact puts government in default on its obligation to implement our Constitution."

Government - at all levels - has done everything within it's power to work around the limits placed upon it by the Constitution. It never stops, it never sleeps, it just keeps waiting for "We the People" to become comfortably numb enough to give it the opportunity to break out of its' cage altogether. We'd better wake the Hell up before it's too late.


47 posted on 03/26/2005 6:55:47 PM PST by datura (Stress is best relieved using therapeutic high explosives.)
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To: bubman

We are on dangerous ground when one has to have a legal document to protect one's right to life in the face of government. Our right to life comes from God. Any state that presumes to take it away has just lost all moral authority.


48 posted on 03/26/2005 6:56:03 PM PST by djreece (May God grant us wisdom.)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-; All

FYI, Greer IS elected.


49 posted on 03/26/2005 6:56:35 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: reformjoy
I agree! That's how I read it as well. The fact that the courts have decided that hearsay and innuendo may be considered as a proxi for a living will defies all logic. I am not a lawyer but if this was a capital case where Terry would as part of her defense use her husband testimony to defend her, it would be considered as hearsay and innuendo. Thus inadmissible in a court of law.

But who would presume that the courts are not endowed with an infinite wisdom to adjudicate accordingly surely not the rest of us right?

50 posted on 03/26/2005 6:56:55 PM PST by bubman
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To: reformjoy

Was not really 'courts' if was Greer's court. the rest of them just went along with Greer's ruling.
Rest of your post is spot on re. 'to tell living what to do with your dying body'


51 posted on 03/26/2005 6:57:35 PM PST by olliecollie
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To: bubman
"Can you name one precedent where the courts have violated or not respected instructions from a Living Will? "

Have you ever heard of judges overturning a law that THEY don't like, meaning any law that will tie their hands in any way? It may not be immediate, but the way these activist judges are ruling, they have become more and more emboldened, and God Almighty only knows when it will come to an end. Maybe when "The People" do their constitutional duty to "Overthrow" this type of despotic gov't, just as the "Founders" of this nation did when England wanted complete, and total control of the Colonies.

52 posted on 03/26/2005 6:59:59 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

The problem is there is a presumption of death now thanks to Greer and Felos.

In miami there is now an investigation about a nursing home which was killing disabled patients as an ecconomic decision.

I think the only solution will be to make the situation absolute in the ablsence of a living will. No document - life. period.


53 posted on 03/26/2005 7:00:31 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Easy enough to explain.

Placing underwear on a terrorist's head clearly is designed to devalue the terrorist by injuring his self-esteem.

Starving and dehydration allow for the natural death process to occur.

And as you know, possibly damaging another person's self-esteem is the most heinous of all crimes now. Don't believe me? If the guards at the Iraqi prison had put a .45 in one of the prisoners mouth and pulled the trigger, do you honestly think that would have been plastered on the news 24-7 the way the underwear incident was?

54 posted on 03/26/2005 7:00:43 PM PST by cincinnati65 (Just up the road a piece.......)
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To: bubman

"A living will will deny the courts a decision on your fate!

You are in control, Terri's mistake was not to have one"


If a judge decides you have one, you have one. The knife cuts both ways, if he decides you don't, you don't. When judges are legislating from the bench, anything goes


55 posted on 03/26/2005 7:01:23 PM PST by Figment (Ich bin ein Jesuslander)
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To: Natural Law
Doesn't fit on a bumper sticker like "separation of Church and State."

Pity, it is a good quote. They only care about Jefferson when it suits them.
56 posted on 03/26/2005 7:01:28 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Herbie
The true color of the bush brothers===yellow''' whihe a big yellow stripe on their back.

So what's your point? You're not voting Republican ever again anyway.

BTW, most DUmmies at least make an attempt to learn how to spell before posting here.

57 posted on 03/26/2005 7:01:42 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Name another nation where the ruling class wears black robes?

Iran's mullahs.

The similarities are striking.


58 posted on 03/26/2005 7:03:19 PM PST by datura (Stress is best relieved using therapeutic high explosives.)
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To: datura
...keeps waiting for "We the People" to become comfortably numb enough to give it the opportunity to break out of its' cage altogether.

The best outcome, I think, is not for the entire population to break out of its cage and cause a major change in government, but for individuals to act on their conscience and stoicly accept the consequences.

I would ask that congress people be asked to comment as to whether they personally, if standing next to Terri, would turn on the fluid drip and cheerfully be imprisoned.

59 posted on 03/26/2005 7:03:20 PM PST by Tax Government (Withhold hydration from the judicial branch of government. Contribute to FR; that may help.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Hitler started with homeless vets, then moved on to the children, then to the elderly/terminally ill. then he got to the Jews and political opponents.

The slogan 'never forget' rings quite hollow.

60 posted on 03/26/2005 7:04:24 PM PST by ladyjane
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