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I Finally Got Someone At Jeb's Office To Take Me Seriously-Re: New Legal Allegations/Schiavo Case
Vanity | 3-35-05 | schmelvin

Posted on 03/25/2005 4:15:34 PM PST by schmelvin

I called Jeb Bush's office this afternoon and finally got someone there to take me seriously.

I told him about the information I'd found at:

http://www.theempirejournal.com/0313055_schiavogate_the_big_cove.htm.

I told him what the allegations were in detail. I told him that this info was spreading like wildfire all over the internet. Then, I told him that it could be embarrassing for Jeb Bush if Terri died and nothing had been done to save her in light of this emerging evidence that is rapidly becoming common knowledge, and the man agreed.

The young man who answered the phone took this seriously enough to ask me where I was calling from and he asked for the name of the website. I gave him the URL to the original website (www.theempirejournal.com) where I found the allegations and told him that I'd seen it posted on many other sites as well including Free Republic (which is where I found out about it). He said he would be forwarding this info and the URL to their legal department.

Unlike the tired sighs and somewhat patronizing consolations I'd heard other times I'd called asking them to save Terri, this time the person I spoke to seemed urgent and concerned about these allegations that are now going around the net.

It's probably too late to call Jeb's office now, but if there are others with clout or in the media that this info can be forwarded to, maybe it will help Terri (or at the very least bring her killers to justice).

I urge everyone to please read: http://www.theempirejournal.com/0313055_schiavogate_the_big_cove.htm

The last section, under the heading: "Clerk Required To Do Annual Review" is especially damning (and bone chilling!).

Here are some excerpts:

Particularly critical of the way that the Sixth Circuit Court judges handle guardianships is Robert W. Melton, chief deputy director internal audit division, certified public accountant, certified fraud examiner with the Pinellas County Circuit Court. During public hearings conducted by the Florida Guardian Task Force appointed by Florida legislators to address guardianship reform, Melton testified that in his office was being “stonewalled” in their attempts to audit guardianship...

Melton told the task force that “In Pinellas County, attempts are being made to limit the clerk’s authority”, a county where George Greer is the Administrative Judge of the Probate Division...

Melton told the task force that the assets of wards are being transferred into pooled trusts that he says operate imprudently outside the supervision of the courts.  He adds that the real estate of wards is being sold at below-market prices to land trusts whose owners don’t have to be disclosed...

“When we have both guardians and judges trying to keep auditors out, we have a system ripe for corruption and fraud”, Melton said...

Former chief Judge F. Dennis Alvarez of the 13th Circuit, Hillsborough County, says that Pinellas County has historically resisted guardianship reform. Perhaps that’s because there’s big money to be made among lawyers and other players in guardianships---particularly in the disposition of assets of wards including real and personal property including real estate, jewelry and antiques in addition to the guardian fees.

Melton says that Pinellas judges, which include George Greer, not only keep court records hidden from public view but are anxious to extend the cloak of secrecy to the audits.  In February, 2004, Melton recommended to Chief Judge David Demers that he take a closer look at guardianships in the Sixth Circuit...

While conducting audits of guardianship reports, the Pinellas clerk’s office discovered serious irregularities...

...Greer has refused to appoint a new guardian ad litem [for Terri Schiavo], acting in the role himself---prohibited by Canon 3 of the state Code of Judicial Conduct.  No judge may serve as a guardian unless the ward is a member of his own family...

When complaints are made to law enforcement agencies such as in the Schiavo case, officials such as McCabe---with a prohibited conflict of interest with Greer, and former Sheriff Everett Rice who also had a prohibited conflict of interest with Greer as well as being a member of the board of directors of the Hospice Foundation of Florida Suncoast, a  subsidiary of the corporation operating the hospice where Terri Schiavo is a resident, claim it’s a civil matter being handled by the courts...

Politically connected attorneys who stand to profit handsomely from guardianship fees are involved with alleged guardianship abuse.  In Greer’s 2004 reelection campaign, a massive $144,000 was raised in campaign contributions, said to be the largest amount ever raised in a judicial campaign.  More than half of those contributors were attorneys----attorneys whose practices in real estate, probate, wills and elder law stand to profit greatly from guardianships to which they are court appointed by probate judges such as George W. Greer.


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Please, forgive me for posting a vanity. I have never posted a vanity before (nor have I posted a new topic thread before) even though I have been here for years. I honestly don't know how to do this correctly. If I've made any mistakes, I ask that a moderator please fix them, and I apologize in advance for the inconvenience.

I just thought this information was important enough to deserve its own thread.

Thank you everyone for bearing with me.

1 posted on 03/25/2005 4:15:34 PM PST by schmelvin
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To: schmelvin

Bump


2 posted on 03/25/2005 4:17:27 PM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: schmelvin

Thanks for all your efforts. You did just fine with your vanity.


3 posted on 03/25/2005 4:18:03 PM PST by Lion in Winter (Grrrrrrrrrr... The courts are outta control......)
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To: schmelvin

These vanities are ridiculous! I'm filled with outrage! Something has to be done about it.

Denote sarcasm. :)


4 posted on 03/25/2005 4:18:35 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: schmelvin

Qui Tam Action Could Be Brought
Securing Terri As Material Witness
http://www.theempirejournal.com/0313055_schiavogate_the_big_cove.htm


5 posted on 03/25/2005 4:19:00 PM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: schmelvin
to allegedly engage in Medicare and Medicaid fraud

I have said all along this is Medicare/Medicaid fraud and no one listened. Michael had millions and he filed for both, how many more people who have money are filing for medicare medicaid and destroying it?

6 posted on 03/25/2005 4:19:43 PM PST by stopem (Support the troops yellow ribbon purse-key-holders.)
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To: schmelvin

Felos was one of the attorneys that contributed to Greer, I think. Makes sense.


7 posted on 03/25/2005 4:21:02 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: writer33

When in trouble or
in doubt,
run in circles,
scream and shout. :-)


8 posted on 03/25/2005 4:21:10 PM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: schmelvin
...Please, forgive me for posting a vanity. I have never posted a vanity before (nor have I posted a new topic thread before) even though I have been here for years. I honestly don't know how to do this correctly. If I've made any mistakes, I ask that a moderator please fix them, and I apologize in advance for the inconvenience. ...

Don't worry about it. You done good.

9 posted on 03/25/2005 4:21:36 PM PST by FReepaholic (Vanity of vanities: all is vanity.)
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To: zip

ping


10 posted on 03/25/2005 4:21:38 PM PST by Mrs Zip
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To: Valin

You're a poet and didn't even know it. :)


11 posted on 03/25/2005 4:22:43 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: All

Is it too late?


12 posted on 03/25/2005 4:23:25 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: schmelvin
I told him that it could be embarrassing for Jeb Bush if Terri died and nothing had been done to save her in light of this emerging evidence that is rapidly becoming common knowledge, and the man agreed.

It will be embarrassing to him. That's the least he should be. He has been a huge disappointment.

*********

Someone wrote this to me earlier today: I am very disapointed in Jeb ............ As usual, republicans talk a good game but NEVER EVER have the courage of thier convictions.

Then I wrote back the following:

May I comment on your words .....

The 'old media' regrettably is still greatly influential, still effective in molding and creating the opinions of the majority of Americans. For instance, look at the distorted and neatly fashioned polls on the Schiavo issue (ABC's for instance.) The questions were slanted, they were outright fraudulent polls and results. Terri's real condition was consciously misrepresented in the questions of these polls. Then there was the media not presenting Terri's condition from 1990 on, ill-treatment in the hospice, and the rest of the truth of the entire matter.

I've been studying media bias for close to 40 years and am quite aware of the evil power of that bias and the way, in the end, it can destroy a free nation. But media bias and the effectiveness of that bias has never been so clear and obvious than in the (non)coverage of the Terri Schiavo case. Never have I seen a citizenry more ignorant of the facts of a story -- never so incorrectly informed, and never has that bias been so maddening! Not even the citizens' recent ignorance of the real John Kerry or the realities of Rathergate could match this. No news story has made the power of bias more clear than this one.

What I'm trying to say (but saying poorly) is that the American people are so ignorant of the facts of this case, so disinformed that if it were true that Jeb were actually afraid of political ramifications from his actions, it would be easy to see why he were.

But "courage of convictions", as you mention, is another thing. In politics these days "courage of convictions" is nearly an impossibility, especially with a media constituted in the way that it still is today. With a continuing extremely influential left/liberal/socialist/anti-American old media still in place and keeping most of the people ignorant, any courageous act by a conservative to try to rescue Terri is tough to do. Because the media has so very effectively continually distorted Republicans' and others' motives to come to this girl's rescue, every courageous act will be colored in a political way. But that courageous act should be performed anyway, imo.

I think Jeb and the Republicans would win politically in the end if they did the moral thing.

But, is 'winning in the end' the most important thing today? Well, sadly I guess it is. 'Doing the right thing' may not be.

****

Have a meaningful Good Friday.

13 posted on 03/25/2005 4:24:28 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: schmelvin
I must say after learning more and more about the history involved between her and her 'husband' I must say if she's allowed to die it would be an outrage! I was of the opposite opinion at this time last week, then as I read more, my opinion changed completely. I have nothing against a spouse making such a decision on behalf of a fallen loved one, but there isn't any proof that she said such a thing. If you combine that with how he seemed to want her to die after he cashed in, it's obvious what he was in it for now he wants her to simply go away......but why?

After seeing a time line of events from her initial brain damage to the present time I hope her parents sue that bastard husband of hers for everything penny that he made from the lawsuits over her.
14 posted on 03/25/2005 4:25:46 PM PST by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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To: writer33

What's your point?


15 posted on 03/25/2005 4:27:01 PM PST by beyond the sea (Colonial Script........... or nationalize The Federal Bank..)
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To: schmelvin
Jeb Bush and Jaywalking !!!

If a little baby crawled out into a busy highway and sat in
the middle of the road, I'm quite sure that Governor Bush
would risk a jaywalking ticket to rush into the street and
save the child, even if the Don't Walk sign is flashing !!!

Terri is an innocent and helpless child right now. Therefore, she
desperately needs someone to bravely risk arrest for jaywalking
to save her life from that evil mob of monsters who are blatantly
attempting to murder her ... in plain view of the entire world !!!

Jaywalk NOW Jeb !!!

Dammit... Jaywalk NOW !!!


16 posted on 03/25/2005 4:27:30 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: stopem
yes, terri has been in a hospice for ten years.
if you are in a hospice you are a medicare patient.
the lawyer was on the board and all his clients and many court guardians clients come the hospice of suncoast fl
( a huge non profit hospice organ with multiple locations).
IF TERRI FAMILY GOT GUARDIAN SHIP OR A AUTOPSY
THEY COULD PROVE SHE WAS NOT IN A PVS STATE.
in fact some one on fox stated that their father ,her er doctor two years ago said she could swallow ( not pvs then).

the suncoast hospice would be in huge financial diffuculty .the justice dept and the oig gets involved.
thus the reason for the cremation request.
17 posted on 03/25/2005 4:28:08 PM PST by BurtTpa
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To: beyond the sea

Did you hear Hannity's show today? He said that Jeb had already sent the DCF, Schiavo's lawyer caught wind of it and then he called Greer, which led him to issue that ruling blocking Jeb from getting Terri w/ DCF.


18 posted on 03/25/2005 4:28:42 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (Not everyone here is your FRiend, watch out for the "opinion shapers" (aka troll with an agenda))
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To: beyond the sea

There isn't a point. It's called sarcasm.


19 posted on 03/25/2005 4:28:57 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: schmelvin
How the Courts Failed Terri Schiavo

The court, in 1997 when Michael announced he was 'engaged' should have immediately conducted a guardianship hearing and transfered Terri to State guardianship. Because of this failure, we are in the present situation.

Questions that need to be immediately considered:

(1) Why did Michael choose to 'ignore' her wishes for nearly 7 years until 1997 when he announced he was'engaged' to Jodi Centonze and 'suddenly' remembered the conversation about life support with Terri from years before?

Respondent answer would most likely rationalize that it took that long before Michael Schiavo realized there was 'no hope for recovery...'

(2) However, the 1992 malpractice suit for $20 million was based on the premise/conclusion that Terri would NOT recover and she would require constant medical care for the remainder of her life estimated by Michael Shiavo and his laywers to be 51 years(which is the normal life expectancey)...Where were her WISHES at that time?

(3) The court, in 1997 when Michael announced he was 'engaged' should have immediately conducted a guardianship hearing and transfered Terri to State guardianship, at a minimum because of the obvious conflict of interest on the part of Michael Shiavo.

The court system failed to act at that point, and that is a major factor on why we are at the point we are today.

(4) Guardianship, by law and practice, is determined to be given to that person who is most heavily 'biased' in favor of the disabled person. Under most conditions this would be the spouse. However, most prudent courts, if during the guardianship period, the appointed guardian by circumstances or accident tilts the 'bias' away from the interest of the person so guarded, would conduct an immediate review, and at a minimum, transfer guardianship to the appropriate State agency.

An additional thought, as I presented it to my class at the university yesterday and I posed the question to the students:

If Terri Schiavo's medical condition, feeding tube et al, was exactly the same as it is, age 25, etc. with the single exception that she was not 'mentally' disabled but had all other functions; and she expressed a desire to have the feeding tube removed and wanted to die, what would we do?

Of course the answer is clear, she would not be allowed to make that 'choice' and would be sent for counselling, etc.

Van & Katherine Jenerette - www.jenerette.com

20 posted on 03/25/2005 4:28:59 PM PST by kjenerette (Jenerette for Senate - www.jenerette.com - U.S. Army Desert Storm)
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