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Did the Judges Do Their Jobs? (Vanity)
3/25/2005 | Blake Elliott

Posted on 03/25/2005 7:41:58 AM PST by carolinacrazy

A majority of freepers are incredibly upset at activist judges attempting to legislate from the bench. I share these feelings. But in the Schiavo case, did these judges go against any existing laws, or did they do their jobs while being contrained by the actual law? Is it the opinion of many here that activist judges are ok if the outcome is what you want? Maybe we need some new laws established and the judges actually had their hands tied on this one. Please let me know your opinion.


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To: blueriver

People here keep using this specious term "threw out evidence" - the court DID NOT "throw out" that evidence - it received it, considered it, and found it to be less credible than the countervailing evidence. Since you didn't hear the testimony in court, you have no way of determining the soundness of that decision, or lack thereof.


41 posted on 03/25/2005 8:31:01 AM PST by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
You mostly talked about PVS in that post, which is irrelevant to the beef I expressed. I believe the court failed to correctly discern Terri's wishes to a standard of clear and convincing. I don't base that on innuendo, rumor or supposition. Oh, you also brought up a bunch of rumor and innuendo. I don't understand why, but hey, it's your keyboard.

That being said, my beef is also irrelevant, since the courts have the power to weigh the evidence and render judgement.

42 posted on 03/25/2005 8:36:21 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

What in my post is "rumor?"


43 posted on 03/25/2005 8:38:09 AM PST by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: Borges
If I'm not mistaken, the legal guardian has the right to cease all treatment to a person in this condition if the person is not capable of speaking for themselves.

You are mistaken. The legal guardian has no rights vis-avis the ward. The state assumes those rights and grants authority to the legal guardian. The legal guardian must petition te court and receive authority to remove artificial life sustaining devices. The court is not supposed to grant that authority unless there is clear and convicing wvidence that is what the wards wishes were.

The power to remove the feeding tube has always been the courts and no one else's.

44 posted on 03/25/2005 8:38:56 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: CharacterCounts

Thanks for the clarification.


45 posted on 03/25/2005 8:40:27 AM PST by Borges
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To: carolinacrazy

What about Public Law 109-3

It specifically states that the feeding tube must be replaced.

Why are the courts refusing to OBEY THIS LAW.


46 posted on 03/25/2005 8:40:55 AM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: carolinacrazy

The judge decision didn't follow many of the Florida Statutes.


47 posted on 03/25/2005 8:43:13 AM PST by angelanddevil2
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To: lugsoul
What in my post is "rumor?"

I took your, "I do know that Terri's own lawyers, one of whom was appointed by Jeb, found no basis for the abuse allegations," as a reference to allegations of abuse by Michael. And assumed, incorrectly on reflection, that it was a reference to spousal abuse that preceded Terri's collapse.

At any rate, none of that is relevant to the beef I expressed, i.e., that I beleiev the court found incorrectly on the matter of Terri's wishes.

48 posted on 03/25/2005 8:43:16 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: carolinacrazy

The judge didn't take into account the prove of attempt of murder.


49 posted on 03/25/2005 8:43:39 AM PST by angelanddevil2
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To: Cboldt

Both pre- and post- collapse. The GAL appointed by Jeb found no merit to the allegations. It is in his report. It is not rumor.


50 posted on 03/25/2005 8:45:19 AM PST by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: TheDon
Excuse my disdain for your reply, but the question you pose stems from sheer ignorance. You are saying that the people who are following the laws handed down from the state legislature and upheld by the judges are now murderers, and it is that same mindset that gives our party a bad name, and the left the power to expose it. Having an opinion of remorse and sorrow for this woman is shared throughout the U S, but calling for a witch hunt without legal basis is absurd. This situation is terribly sad, but the incoherent stance of people like you is frustrating to all.
51 posted on 03/25/2005 8:46:21 AM PST by carolinacrazy (www.JackassDemocrats.com)
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To: angelanddevil2

Name one.


52 posted on 03/25/2005 8:47:18 AM PST by carolinacrazy (www.JackassDemocrats.com)
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To: angelanddevil2
What proof?

Assume that the bone scan shows evidence of "unexplained trauma" - we don't know that, unless you know, for example, that Terri was never in a car accident, never participated in athletics, never fell off a ladder, etc. - what proof can you assert that Michael caused the trauma? Don't give me "it must have been him" - no court would countenance that, nor should they. Tell me what proof you have that the Court didn't consider.

53 posted on 03/25/2005 8:47:33 AM PST by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
Both pre- and post- collapse. The GAL appointed by Jeb found no merit to the allegations. It is in his report. It is not rumor.

We're talking past each other regarding a matter that is irrelevant to my point. Good day.

54 posted on 03/25/2005 8:47:53 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: CyberAnt

Please quote where it says that.


55 posted on 03/25/2005 8:48:10 AM PST by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: angelanddevil2

I don't quite understand that post. Are you speaking of attempted murder? Where did you get this? Sean Hannity?


56 posted on 03/25/2005 8:48:16 AM PST by carolinacrazy (www.JackassDemocrats.com)
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To: Borges; All

What Florida law gives the judge the right to order the death of a healthy person, not guilty of any crime, and hold those carrying out the order not guilty of murder? Anyone know?


57 posted on 03/25/2005 8:48:35 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: lugsoul

Can you direct me t that reprt of the G.A.L. Having served a a Guardian Ad Litem to the court on numerous occassions, I find that highly unusual. G.A.L.s normally on report back to the court on the status of the ward and make no investigation as to other facts claimed.


58 posted on 03/25/2005 8:50:42 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: TheDon

Are you calling Terri healthy?


59 posted on 03/25/2005 8:50:47 AM PST by carolinacrazy (www.JackassDemocrats.com)
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To: carolinacrazy

You almost understood my request. Do you happen to know under which Florida law Terri is being killed, and how those killing her are not held liable for murder?


60 posted on 03/25/2005 8:52:14 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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