Posted on 03/15/2005 7:25:16 AM PST by DocH
Glenn Beck has apologized this morning to all of us that started watching '24' this season based on his recommendation.
He is also saying that he was about to give up on '24' last night because the witers interjected PATRIOTIC Arabs that own a gun store, and are proud to be American and stand with their American brothers to go up against whoever committed the terrorist acts.
WHAT A LINE OF PC CRAP!
I, for one, have not heard a single Arab-American stand up publicly and say that they denounce Islamic terrorism and are willing to stand up with their American brothers to fight this scourge on civilized society.
We've gone from a great reality based action drama that rips headlines from the papers, showing MOST terrorists as they actually are...
To a PC line of BS influenced by the usual suspects, liberal producer, directors, and studio execs, AND a TINY, loud-mouthe minority of bleaters and whiners.
A disgusting FRAUD-of-a-show.
AND, it LOOKS as if the show is turing AWAY from REALISTIC MUSLIM terrorists, to point to EVIL WHITE guys in the defense industry, and maybe even in the military itself.
What a JOKE.
I MAY watch another show or two, but I think I'm DONE after only ONE season of viewing this PC garbage.
How old are you? Too young to remember the domestic terrorism we had here in the 60's and 70's? The Black Panthers', Weatherman ring a bell?
"I, for one, have not heard a single Arab-American stand up publicly and say that they denounce Islamic terrorism..."
Check out the link in #13, and try doing a search on FR for articles on Arab Americans who have spoken out against terrorism. We've even had some here on FR.
Just because you haven't heard or read it, doesn't mean much.
You write: “Didn't say they weren't there, just that I haven't heard from them in any public way.”
I get the impression that the normal Arab immigrants do not associate with groups like CAIR. These Arabs seem to consider themselves normal members of US society. Heck, their kids play sports, go to proms, daughters wear stupid looking jeans. I am aware of one who is an elected law enforcement official who is of Arab descent. He will mention this, but he does not broadcast it.
I am reminded of the Latin American student society at my college. George Bush (the son of the Florida gov. with a Hispanic mother—he looks very Latin American) was criticized by the media for not “being active in the Hispanic community” at that school because he was not involved with that Latin American student society—what the media failed to mention was that Latin American society was run by a bunch of left-wing students.
" It is simply silly and wrong for you to suggest there are NO pro-American Arabs living in America. Go to Dearborn, MI you will see thousands and thousands there alone -"
For all of those who aren't aware, DevSix is a liar and a propagandist troll. He pretends to agree with some of the sentiment on this forum but hides his propaganda within his posts.
He simply continues to repeat the same ideas over and over. My aunt and uncle live outside Detroit and have told me that Dearborn has anything but a pro american muslim community. I have also posted these stories before, but he ignores that. I will post them here for all to see:
"3/2/2005: Michigan Muslim Helped Hizballah"
http://www.detnews.com/2005/nation/0503/02/A05-105122.htm
"DEARBORN — A Dearborn man pleaded guilty Tuesday to providing material support to Hezbollah, a foreign terrorist organization."
"Khomeini in Dearborn"
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15983
"Last Friday, Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan, held an anti-American, anti-Israel demonstration. Protestors carried a large model of Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa Mosque and waved signs bearing slogans such as “US Hands Off Muslim Land.” But the most arresting image was of a Muslim woman carrying a large sign featuring the face of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini."
I urge all Freepers to take what DevSix says with a grain of salt. He has previously claimed:
---There are no terrorist sleeper cells in America
---There were no WMDs or WMD related activity in Iraq, and that even if there were Saddam destroyed them because he was abiding by UN sanctions
---Putin is a good man
---OBL doesn't have kidney problems
---On republican judicial appointments: "My Father always warned about having too many judges appointed by Republicans on the High Court - He did so solely because of privacy rights and how they would be done away with simply for the power of police -"
Two points - One no one ever suggested "widespread" Muslim support - The original poster said there were "none" in America - (that is simply wrong).
Secondly, I don't see how you would think US Muslims supporting our efforts would be rubbing our nose in it?? -
That is the last image the MSM wants to put out (just as they try to cut all images of support from Iraqi civilians towards our efforts out of the nightly news programs).
As for the fool above you mentioned that Dearborn is not American friendly (because his aunt told him so....too funny).....Anyone that lived in the area saw the large celebrations on the day Iraq fell - They celebrated throughout the night when that statue fell -
Ahh! I'm having Usenet flashbacks!
Oh wow, two cases of Arabs in MI shows that ALL Arabs in Dearborn, MI don't like America - My god are you foolish -
You really need to raise your intellectual maturity level (please do so in a hurry because my mailbox is filling up with people laughing at you).
Nowhere did I ever say all Arab Americans support us ...They obviously don't - But the converse is true as well and serious adults need to recognize this -
Now run along and give others more reasons to PM me - Too funny.
Or just a person with a severly limited vocabulary partial to the word "idiotic"?
Want "facts"?
Look at the post, Muslims Upset About Their Portrayal in '24', Fox News, March 14, 2005, Posted on 03/14/2005 4:40:08 AM PST by traumer
The "comments" section lists a number of "exibits" (as in court). All committed by MUSLIM terrorists.
I'll soon be skipping further viewing of the "idiotic" (to use your favorite word), gone-off-the-deep-end-politically-correct show - '24', and possibly start watching a more realistic show, which many on this site have recommended - MI-5.
I'll also stop wasting my time reading your "idiotic" (again, your favorite word) posts.
As far as my original reference to most terrorists in the last 30 years OR SO being muslim, I'll revise that to the last 20 years OR SO to make you happy.
Sincerely, not-purple-doch (just as irrelevent regarding my original post as your "not white" reference to yourself, since I did not mention color)
Mommy, make him stop, he's hurting my virtual "ears"!
Come on, how petty.
Do you speak, in normal conversation, in MONOTONE?
Of course not. You emphasize certain words to get your point across.
Now, if my post contained ALL caps, or even ALL lower case, you MIGHT have a point.
So, you have to throw evil politicians, the military-industrial complex, good-guy Arabs and who knows what else for the show to retain its character.
I believe that the MSM would love to run with stories that show American Muslim support for the War on Terror, to prove that the anti-muslim sentiment as an incorrect perception.
The MSM hasn't. Is it because there are no or few stories? Or is it because they don't want to show anyone supporting the War on Terror?
There is a mosque and a muslim education center near me. The mosque web site had links to Hamas and Hezbollah fund raising sites. The education center has been under surveillance as they are suspected of supporting a few of the 9/11 hijackers who stayed in a nearby motel. By the way, the hijackers were also observed surveilling my place of employment, which is close to where I live also.
One of my co-workers was killed on 9/11 in Washington, DC. I dealt with the anthrax attacks and the muslim snipers that year also.
Around here, the silence from the muslim community has been deafening.
But, as I have said before, I am waiting for more evidence. In the meantime, caution is well substantiated, in my opinion.
Well, I figured since you seem to have the idea, based on your initial post, that no whites could ever be involved in terrorism, that maybe thats what you were going. Call it pre-emptive
The bottom line is that a lot of the high-profile terrorism is committed by people claiming to be Muslims, and we both can at least agree on that. However, where we seem to differ is that you believe in the paraphrase "Not all muslims are terrorists, but virtually all terrorists are muslims" and I have proven that paraphrase to be a lie. Yet, for some unknown reason, you continue to believe the lie. Why is that?
"Muslims Upset About Their Portrayal in '24', Fox News, March 14, 2005, Posted on 03/14/2005 4:40:08 AM PST by traumer"
The "comments" section lists a number of "exibits" (as in court). All committed by MUSLIM terrorists.
oh fer cryin out loud... it's a TV show....
How about revise it to say "This year, most terrorist attacks have been by muslims."? THAT would be more accurate.
In March 1999, the FARC (an offshoot of a communist party) executed three US Indian rights activists on Venezuelan territory after it kidnapped them in Colombia. In February 2003, the FARC captured and continues to hold three US contractors and killed one other American and a Colombian when their plane crashed in Florencia. FARC currently has between 9,000 to 12,000 armed combatants... I doubt many, if any at all, are Muslim.
17 November, another one of those non-muslim left-wing groups, has been pretty active even recently, with attacks, kidnappings, bombings, etc... Again, very few, if any, muslims. Small group, though.
Alex Boncayao Brigade (ABB), strength about 500 armed combatants,. Responsible for more than 100 murders, including the murder in 1989 of US Army Col. James Rowe in the Philippines. In March 1997, the group announced it had formed an alliance with another armed group, the Revolutionary Proletarian Army (RPA). In March 2000, the group claimed credit for a rifle grenade attack against the Department of Energy building in Manila and strafed Shell Oil offices in the central Philippines to protest rising oil prices.
Anti-Imperialist Territorial Nuclei (NTA) - a bunch of left-wing NON-MUSLIMs, probably numbering about 20. It claimed responsibility for a bomb attack in September 2000 against the Central European Initiative office in Trieste and a bomb attack in August 2001 against the Venice Tribunal building.
Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna (ETA) - Non-Muslim group(s) responsible for the deaths of nearly 1000 people since the 1960s, still active, still bombing, and still non-muslim. Current estimates place their numbers in the 100s, with many more supporters.
Irish National Liberation Army (INLA), People's Liberation Army (PLA), People's Republican Army (PRA), Catholic Reaction Force (CRF) - They have been in a "cease-fire" since the late 90s, but still occasionally carry out attacks. Not many Muslims in primarily Catholic terrorist groups.
Brigate Rosse - The infamous Red Brigades, who appear to be on something of a comeback tour, if some guesses are correct. No muslims, that I am aware of, in this primarily italian left-wing group.
Karen National Union (KNU), Karen National Defense Organization (KNDO), Democratic Karen Burmese Army (DKBA) - Estimated numbers of these groups to be in the thousands... not many are muslim...
Devrimci Sol (Revolutionary Left) - Another left-wing non-muslim, which became especially active AFTER 1990, numbering in the severaql dozens of armed combatants, and a large support network throughout europe. Primarily leftist, not many, if any, practicing muslims.
Partido Democratico Popular Revolucionario (PDPR), Ejercito Popular Revolucionario (EPR) - A mexican left-wing non-muslim terrorist group(s), responsible for killing at least 17 people in recent years...
Revolutionary People's Struggle (ELA) - Another Left-wing Greek terrorist group, made up of non-muslims, current number of active members is unknown, but have carried out strings of bombings...
National Liberation Army (ELN)-- Columbina marxist group, with estimates of 3000 to 5000 armed combatants... Non-muslim.
Frente Farabundo Martí para la Liberación Nacional (FMLN) - Current estimates place their strength to be 6000 - 7000 strong. Leftist, non-muslim.
Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front, Frente Patriotico Manuel Rodriguez (FPMR) - Left-wing NON-MUSLIM group in Chile. In 1993, FPMR/D bombed two McDonald's restaurants and attempted to bomb a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant. Between 50 and 100 members.
Óglaigh na hÉireann, (Volunteers of Ireland) - FOrmed in 1998. Since October 1999, RIRA has carried out more than 80 terrorist attacks. RIRA’s most recent fatal attack in Derry in 2002 killed a construction worker. NON-Muslim.
Lord's Resistance Army - A Sudanese/Ugandan christian group, estimated at about 1000 members, since the early 1990’s, the LRA has kidnapped and killed local Ugandan civilians in order to discourage foreign investment, precipitate a crisis in Uganda, and replenish their ranks.
Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF) - another irish, non-muslim group, responsible for many attacks since the late 1990s...
New People's Army (NPA) - Communist terrorist group in the Phillipines, non-muslim, with estimated combatants numbering nearly 10,000... The NPA claimed responsibility for the assassination of two congressmen from Quezon in May 2001 and Cagayan in June 2001 and many other killings. In January 2002, the NPA publicly expressed its intent to target US personnel if discovered in NPA operating areas.
New Red Brigades/Communist Combatant Party (BR/PCC) - Formed around 1999. Italian leftist non-muslim terrorist group. BR/PCC first struck in May 1999 claiming responsibility for the assassination of Labor Minister advisor Massimo D’Antona. In March 2002, the group assassinated Professor Marco Biagi, also a Labor Minister advisor. One person arrested in conjunction with the Biagi attack was released later on a technicality. In 2001, Italian police arrested a suspected Red Brigade member in connection with a bombing in April at the Institute for International Affairs in Rome.
Red Hand Defenders - Irish, protestant, non-muslims, active since 1998...In recent years, the group has carried out numerous pipe bombings and arson attacks against “soft” civilian targets such as homes, churches, and private businesses. In January 2002, the group bombed the home of a prison official in North Belfast.
Shining Path - Peru, non-muslim leftist group. Conducted indiscriminate bombing campaigns and selective assassinations. In June 2003, an SL column kidnapped 71 Peruvian and foreign employees working on the Camisea gas line in Ayacucho Department. 400-500 armed combatants.
I could do this all day, DocH.
Sure I have. :)
Are they also Muslim?
I know PLENTY of Pro-America Arabs - but none of them are muslims. That's where the trouble is - IMHO.
Gezz, GWB really could have used your knowledge of this - Since he put a MICHIGAN ARAB AMERICAN as the U.S. Sec of Energy!!....Does the name Spencer Abraham mean anything to you? -
Ouch - Is your backside getting sore?? - Cause reality keeps kicking it!
The dude that owns the tobacco shop about 5 blocks from where I work has the biggest American flag I have ever seen. There are many patriotic Arab-Americans. They are people that came here from Iran, Iraq, etc., to get away from the nutsies over there.
Pull your head out of your ass and you will find that not Arab born US citizens want to kill you.
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