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Okay I'll admit it. I have visited the dark side and somehow they've come to think I'm a fellow traveler. But seriously, I am interested in any suggestions anyone might have to disrupt the disrupters.
1 posted on 02/22/2005 4:27:49 PM PST by joshhiggins
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To: joshhiggins

Don't disrupt the disruptors. Everytime they do something like that they further destroy what little credibility they have left.


2 posted on 02/22/2005 4:32:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (The crippled stool is the cadillac of poopin stools.)
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Hello
I'm just curious. You are a new member to Free Republic and a member of Moveon.org? You received this email?
3 posted on 02/22/2005 4:34:47 PM PST by GodBlessUSA (No, just because my user-name was on that thread-I'm not a troll. 4 years of posting and 1+lurking.)
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Same tactics as Hitler's Brownshirts when we had the American Bund before WWII. These democrats are not just trying to INFLUENCE voters, they will try to trash the political process...as anarchists are wont to do.


4 posted on 02/22/2005 4:42:59 PM PST by NetValue (Be a democrat; oppose, lie, subvert, obstruct , and sabotage progress and ideals in America.)
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FACT: In 2042, enough new money will be coming in to pay between 73-80 percent of promised benefits.

Hey, dude, that's like still under 100%! Sounds to me like the system's going broke.

FACT: “In 14 of the past 47 years, including 1975 to 1983, Social Security paid out more in benefits than the government collected in payroll.” [MSNBC, 1/14/05]

MSNBC, huh? Who was that? Keith Olberman?...Of course, in those years that the government took more in than paid out in SS benefits, the Democrat congresses stole the surpluses for other programs. How safe is that?

FACT: According to the Congressional Budget Office, younger workers would receive better benefits from Social Security as it exists now, even if nothing changes, than from President Bush’s private accounts plan.

Let's see...The federal government knows better how to invest my money than I do? It's trackrecord says otherwise.

FACT: Analysis of the plan so far does not prove the accounts would be a better deal for anyone not working on Wall Street.

Private investment accounts would be voluntary. You keep your funds locked up in a federal account that doesn't even keep up with inflation, and I'll take my chances on the market, thank you.

FACT: Most lower-income workers will be required to purchase government lifetime annuities, financial instruments that provide a guaranteed monthly payment for life but that expire at death.

Everything's on the table, meatball. Structure the system so that lower-income workers WON'T be required to purchase these government lifetime annuities. You're making assumptions about the SS reform before it's even in law.

FACT: “A Bush aide, briefing reporters on the condition of anonymity [said] that the individual accounts would do nothing to solve the system’s long-term financial problems.”

Yeah. The only way to truly save the system is to allow individuals to have control of ALL of their SS taxes confiscated from their paychecks, and let them invest it as they see fit. It's called "freedom" and "choice."

FACT: Bush’s Social Security plan is a far cry from the private ownership he’s touting, however.

True. So let's join forces and make sure we all get FULL OWNERSHIP of our Social Security contributions.

FACT: Social Security trust funds “hold nothing but U.S. Treasury securities,” recognized as “the safest, most reliable investment worldwide.”

Also the lowest return on investment.

FACT: An alternative proposal by Peter Diamond and Peter Orszag would resolve Social Security’s funding problems directly and permanently through modest tax increases.

Oh, why am I not surprised that this is your solution!?

FACT: Conservatives have been trying to gut Social Security since its inception

And Democrats have been using doom-and-gloom scare tactics from forever to keep granny in the Democrat fold. Stop lying about Republicans, and perhaps we'll stop telling the TRUTH about Democrats.

5 posted on 02/22/2005 4:48:25 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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The only think I would ask the BowelMoveOn crowd is, "Did you oppose private accounts when Bill Clinton announced support for them in 1997?"


8 posted on 02/22/2005 4:56:52 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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Incivility by our side makes our issue look bad. Don't shout or argue. Please use the same language you’d use in front of children.

Some of them wont be able to help themselves and WILL be quite uncivil. If they're afraid of looking bad, they shouldnt have come up with this idea in the first place. Now its too late.

11 posted on 02/22/2005 5:05:17 PM PST by lowbridge
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The phrase, "Sod off, Swampy," is running through my head right now.


14 posted on 02/22/2005 5:19:07 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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Josh: The Wed. date has passed. What happened? Did they succeed in disrupting the event?

My daughter somehow receives the House Dem. weekly update. She has no idea how they got her e-mail address and she can't get them to stop sending it.

19 posted on 02/25/2005 3:34:43 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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