Posted on 02/12/2005 2:45:19 PM PST by Calpernia
Thanks for the ping!
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Democratic Socialists of America
The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International, which includes socialist parties as diverse as the Swedish Social Democrats, Nicaragua's FSLN, and the British Labour Party.
DSA was formed in 1983 from a merger of Michael Harrington's Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee (the largest remnant of the defunct Socialist Party of America) and the New American Movement, a coalition of writers and intellectuals with roots in both the "Old" and the "New" left. DSA is organized at the local level, and works with labor unions, community organizations, and campus activists on issues of common interest. Nationwide campaigns are coordinated by the organization's national office in New York City.
Among DSA's notable members are AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, feminist Gloria Steinem, actor Ed Asner, author Barbara Ehrenreich, scholar and activist Cornel West, and libertarian socialist Noam Chomsky. A few current and former members of Congress have, or have had, membership or other ties to the organization, including: Major Owens (D-NY), a DSA member; Ron Dellums (D-CA), a former member; Danny K. Davis (D-IL), rumored to be a member; and Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who has spoken to DSA conferences.
While many Democratic Socialists are also members of the Democratic Party, electoral politics have been a secondary concern throughout the history of the organization. The main aim of DSA is to promote socialist ideas within the broader progressive social movements in American politics. On electoral questions, the organization supports what it calls the "left wing of the possible" on a case by case scenario. DSA members have at times been elected to public office at the local, state, and federal level, both as Democratic Party and non-partisan candidates. DSA's involvement in Democratic politics has been a matter of some controversy with other socialists, particularly in the Socialist Party USA, who would prefer to see it support only explicitly socialist candidates.
See also: List of political parties in the United States
The more I read about this, the more confused I'm getting.
So, from the groups own hierachy, if they all openly say these groups are auxiliaries of each other, and from their sites, they share financial funding too...
HOW can these groups be a part of our government http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1341941/posts?page=13#13
AND be listed as domestic terrorists?
http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/tergps/tgdom.htm
The National Alliance.
Available at: http://www.natvan.com/
The National Alliance goals include 'white living space and an aryan society'. The site offers the organizational goals, online publications, etc.
22 + 23
Adding onto post 23.
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It is necessary for dictators to lead the common folk and to make sure that they retain their unique culture, traditions, and attitudes; and to make sure that they do not mix with others, especially of inferior races. In this passage I will explain to you the believes, goals, and etc. of the National Socialist Movement in Germany during World War 2 and compare their goals today. I will speak of the foreign influence on Aryans of today. But to know what the aims and goals of the National Socialist Movement of today are; one only needs to understand the older organizations in particular the Third Reich, which will be the one chiefly talked about and movements that serve as their foundation. Following World War 1, the social and political climate of Germany was in a state of hostile chaos. Various political factions paraded through the streets, each one trying to gain more influence and power while the masses tried to eke out a meager living. During this time a man know to no one at the time, but destined to rule named Adolf Hitler would join the German Worker s party and begin to gain his power and followers through it.
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Dr. William Pierce the founder of the National Alliance (a current National Socialist movement in America) states it as: Last week I mentioned that a record company I own, Resistance Records, was attacked in an hour-long special TV program on one of Sumner Redstone's music television channels, VH1. Redstone, who was born with the name Murray Rothstein, is one of the most powerful of the media masters. He owns not only VH1, but also MTV and the CBS network. His MTV specializes in encouraging young Whites to mix with and act like Blacks. He promotes "hip hop" culture and rap music among White kids, persuading White boys to talk Black and wear baggy shorts and backward baseball caps and persuading teenage White girls to have sex with Blacks. He is probably the most destructive and hate-filled of all the media bosses. A prominent figure in the National Socialism Movement of today is a Norwegian named Varg Vikernes and in my opinion the Hitler of our day.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1342023/posts
The Clintons Terrorist Ties
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1214723/posts
"Sex Lead Me To Communism"
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp
List for the members of the Progressive Party
Cal, this scared even me.....I couldn't see it on its own site, so had to copy it so I could read it here.
If you want this one pulled, it is ok with me.
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Strange, 3 years after posting this, I am sure that they marched with them in the anti-war and anti- Bush parades.
It all comes back to the communists using the nazi's and the muslims, to reach their goal.
The problem will be when one of the groups wants to be #1, that is after the 3 band togather to destroy America.
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All anarchists are opposed to nationalism. Nationalism is an
extension of egotism and chauvinism that encompasses an
arbitrary set of social "norms" and biological factors, and
promotes them as the only permissible behavior, culture and
biology within a given region of the earth. Nationalism can be
based on a strong centralized state, or a non-indigenous
"tribe" of modern racists. Nationalism is an opportunistic way
to prey on people's prejudices and stereotypes and fuse them
into a social movement to achieve some goal. Nationalism is
sometimes used as a way for working-class people to band
together and fight an external invader or internal capitalist
class... but even revolutionary nationalism is reactionary and
counter-revolutionary: it scapegoats a section of the population
based on factors other than class, blaming them for real and
imagined flaws. Typical of nationalists is hostility toward
internationalism. Internationalism maintains that all workers
have common interests, and it is the nation that pits workers
against each other and brings war and strife to humanity. Only
internationalism will bring an end to racism, dictatorship,
human strife, misery, & capitalist neoliberalism.
Sometimes nationalists use Christianity as a religion to rally
around in order to be Populist. Other times they use
paganism to seem radical and different. Despite attempts
by nationalists to make religion or mysticism speak for
nationalism, this is simply manipulation of people's belief
systems. Typical of nationalist paganism is the use of the
Celtic cross as a symbol on tattoos, banners, or flags of
nationalists. Here is an example:
«»
Anarchists fight nationalism by rejecting it and exposing
it's racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism and
xenophobia.
Recently, a right-wing fascist movement known as the
3rd Positionists has used the strategy of using left-wing
symbols and images while pushing a right-wing social
agenda. Just as Adolf Hitler used the name "National
Socialist" for his political party and Spanish fascists used
the term "National Syndicalist", 3rd Positionists use the
labels "National Bolshevik", "National Libertarian",
and "National Anarchist" to try to trick radicals into
supporting their racist, antisemitic, and homophobic ideals.
Common is embracement of the theories of Otto Strasser
or the Strasser brothers and the idea of a "true socialist"
National Socialism that is supposed to be different from
Hitler's National Socialism... but of course if they really
believed in socialism they would not be racist/nationalist.
Please take the time to read the following anarchist essays
about nationalism:
"Anarchism and Nationalism", article from
FREEDOM
"Are Anarchists Against Nationalism?", from the
Anarchist FAQ
"Patriotism, A Menace to Liberty", by Emma
Goldman
"The Continuing Appeal of Nationalism", by Fredy
Perlman
"Nationalism and Culture", by Rudolf Rocker
"3rd Positionist" Fascism in the US
An American National Bolshevik
You can join a mailing-list set up to oppose 3rd Positionist
infiltration into the anarchist movement. Here is the info
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A mailing list for real anarchists opposed to the 3rd
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the racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic and fascist
guise of National Anarchism & the National
Revolutionary Faction. Examined will be the theories of
figures such as Michael Bakunin, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon,
Peter Kropotkin, George Orwell, and others who held some
controversial views but firmly opposed nationalism. Also
examined will be the contributions of liberalism and
marxism to anarchist theory, with a critical eye, and a
general focus on opposing the national socialism /
fascism of the 3rd Positionist movement. Internationalism
is the best weapon against nationalism!
To subscribe to the list, send a blank message to:
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This you will want to check, looks very interesting, for several pages.
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>>>bout your second paragraph in #25 post, it appears to me that the writer is a nazi purist.
Yes he is. That was exactly my point in posting those paragraphs.
There are several articles that try to say the National Socialist Movement is NOT part of the National Alliance.
Those paragraphs are from the horses mouth.
I think I'm confused, too :-) I'm still catching up on today's threads, so bear with me if I'm missing something I should be noticing. What was the link between the previous posts up to #22 and the National Alliance?
Oh, I'm sorry,
DSA is part of SDS. Which is part of National Socialists which is part of National Alliance. This was on that thread I made about SDS/Weatherman.
Precisely. As an aside on that, anti-Semitic Muslim terrorist groups have cultivated links with European and US neo-Nazi groups, including skinhead groups in the "black metal" and other genres.
My understanding of the shaved head thing is that it was an outgrowth of British Mod/Rocker fashion differences:
Skinheads, named after their shaven heads, are members of a subculture that originated in Britain in the 1960s. Skinheads were closely tied to the Rude boy of the West Indies and the Mods of the UK.
SNIP
London in the early 1960s was experiencing a growing class separation between the working class - struggling, relegated to substandard housing, and increasingly neglected by their political representatives - and the middle class. Those youths who could afford it invested in new fashions popularized by The Beatles (haircuts) and Carnaby Street merchants (clothing). These were the Mods, a youth subculture noted for its consumerism and affection for style, music and scooters. Those of lesser means, such as the dock workers, made do with the practical styles that suited their employment - steel-toed boots, straight-legged denim jeans, and shirts and braces (suspenders in the US) often handed down by their fathers. When possible, their limited funds were spent on smart outfits worn in the evenings to the dancehalls, where they danced to ska, reggae, and rocksteady beats alongside their Jamaican coworkers.
Around 1965 a group of "hard" or "gang" mods, who could be identified by their shorter hair and working-class image, emerged from the larger mod scene. This resulted in a schism that produced "peacock mods" (The Who, The Kinks) and skinheads, commonly known by that name by around 1968. (Other early nicknames included "lemons", "peanuts" and "suits.") Early followers were mainly interested in and influenced by Jamaican Reggae and Ska music (aka, The Spirit of 69), Jamaican Rude Boy culture and a dislike of those perceived as the 'ruling classes'. They had an extreme dislike for the government and many larger businesses as both appeared to lack sympathy for the increasingly desperate straits of the working class.
Skinhead culture exploded in the year 1969, to the extent that even the rock band Slade adopted the look, after which the original skinheads slowly dropped into new categories, including the "Suede-head" (defined by the ability to manipulate one's hair with a comb) and the next-stage "Smoothies" (often with hairstyles down to shoulder length). Fashions within both groups regressed to their mod roots, reintroducing the common wearing of brogues (originally an identifier once boots became too conspicuous) as well as the slacks-and-sweater look. Here was a far cry from the singularly blue-jeaned and typically steel-toe booted skins of the past.
During the mid-1970s in the UK, the skinhead movement was reborn in an unexpected way. With the introduction of Punk Rock to the public, kids were looking for the next great shock-rockers. Skinheads with shorter hair, less emphasis on style, and a new sound grew in numbers and grabbed the attention of the media as a result of repeated incidents of hooliganism during football matches, often to the point of rioting between rival groups of supporters. Whether these riots were, in fact, initiated by skinheads or by overzealous fans in general is the subject of some controversy, but it is clear that skinheads were eager participants.
Communism is almost unutterably vile. We have idiots in the U.S. who imagine it means rule by an elite (them) who "understand" how things should be: the moronic statement by Hanoi Jane "If you knew what communism is..."
I'll have to go review that thread, but offhand my understanding is DSA and SDS are related to a faction of the Socialist Party of America (founded c. 1900 in the US by Eugene Debs and Daniel DeLeon) rather than the National Socialist Party (Nationalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, founded in Germany in 1919 by the Nazis).
Students for a Democratic Society and the Weatherman Underground Association
Voice One: "We are not Communist's, we are Democrats"
Voice Two: "What the hell is the difference?"
BUMP
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