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Steve Young, Hall of Fame??
02/05/05 | Perdogg

Posted on 02/05/2005 5:27:02 PM PST by Perdogg

Can someone explain to me how and why Steve Young made it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame???

Michael Irvin is so much more deserving. Irvin has three rings, Young only one. I guess drugs and hookers hurt Irvin.

But then again, Lawrence Taylor got in. Aikmann will get in, so will Smith. wasn't Irvin an intrical part???

If I had a receiver like Jerry Rice, i would be in the Hall of Fame.

I think Young was a good Quarterback, but he wasn't better than Jim Plunkett and he's not in.


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1 posted on 02/05/2005 5:27:02 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
Steve Young was a force.

Michael Irvin was hype.

Period.

2 posted on 02/05/2005 5:28:05 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Perdogg

He was MUCH better than Jim Plunkett.


3 posted on 02/05/2005 5:29:09 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: beyond the sea

L.C. Greenwood got skipped again. One more chance, I've heard...


Feh.


4 posted on 02/05/2005 5:31:40 PM PST by Petronski (Lately I haven't been all that cranky. I'll tell you about it someday.)
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To: Perdogg

The numbers are overwhelming. Young's are better than those of practically every quarterback in the Hall of Fame. What have you got against the guy? If you think Irvin ought to be there, fine, but don't use his absence to crticize Young.


5 posted on 02/05/2005 5:33:17 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Perdogg

Dunno, but Phil Simms should be in the HOF.


6 posted on 02/05/2005 5:34:46 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: mainepatsfan
Is that why Plunkett has two Super Bowl rings (He would have a third one if there hadn't been a strike in 1982-1983).

I am NOT saying Young was a bad QB, I don't see the logic in his selection other than his image for the NFL.

What record did he break??? What did he contribute to the game beyond recognition, etc?
7 posted on 02/05/2005 5:34:58 PM PST by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
Young deserves to be in the Hall. Irvin and Jerry Rice were THE go-to receivers in the NFL in the early 90s, and deserves the Hall as well.

Jimmy Johnson still says that Irvin had the best work ethic of any player he ever coached.

8 posted on 02/05/2005 5:36:33 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: VeritatisSplendor

I don't have anything against Young. I like SY. I wish he would run for the US Senate in CA. All I am saying is what did he do to get in the Hall of Fame???

Dan Marino broke a record. He was a prolific passer. How does Young disguish himself from the average QB other than throwing to Rice.


9 posted on 02/05/2005 5:37:15 PM PST by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: Perdogg
What about Harry Carson?

Nine time...that's 9 times All-Pro !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still not in HOF.

Just plain wrong.

As a Giants fan and Cowgirl hater, Irvin was not as good as his hype - no question about it.

10 posted on 02/05/2005 5:40:45 PM PST by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Pajama Patrol Badges are here!)
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To: Seeking the truth

He only won three Super bowl rings that's all.


11 posted on 02/05/2005 5:43:12 PM PST by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: Perdogg
Plunkett was a decent quarterback but he was nowhere near Young's abilities.

Young holds the Super Bowl record for touchdowns in one game.
Young has the highest single season quarterback rating ever.
Young is tied with Sammy Baugh for most seasons leading the league in passing.

He's also near the top in many NFL career passing categories.

Don't forget he spent many years as a backup to Joe Montana. If he had been the 49ers quarterback then he probably would have gotten another ring or two as a starter.

What did the strike have to do with the Raiders not winning in 1982? They just got beat by the Jets in the playoffs.
12 posted on 02/05/2005 5:44:28 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: F16Fighter

Michael Irvin had 1,000-yard receiving seasons in all but one year from 1991 to '98.


13 posted on 02/05/2005 5:44:46 PM PST by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: mainepatsfan

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/sports/football/10660326.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp&1c

Fame vs. shame
Irvin was great, but his antics and the anti-Cowboys bias could hurt him
By Clarence E. Hill Jr.
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

Former Cowboys wide receiver Michael Irvin is one of 15 finalists for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2005.

Irvin caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns in his 12-year career with the Cowboys. He was a member of three Super Bowl championship teams and was selected to five Pro Bowls.

Irvin joins Dan Marino, Derrick Thomas and Steve Young as finalists in their first year of eligibility. Irvin and former Washington Redskins Art Monk are the only two wide receivers among the finalists.

The 2005 class will be announced Feb. 5.

Here's a look at the case for and against Michael Irvin and how he compares statistically to receivers in the Hall and some who have been overlooked:


14 posted on 02/05/2005 5:47:55 PM PST by Perdogg (Rumsfeld for President - 2008)
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To: Perdogg

Holds NFL career records for highest completion percentage -- 64.3;
highest passer rating -- 96.8;
most seasons leading league in touchdown passes -- 4;
and most consecutive seasons leading league in passer rating -- 4 (1991-1994).
... Holds NFL record for most consecutive games with 300 or more yards passing -- 6 (September 6-October 18, 1998).
... Holds NFL single-season record for highest passer rating -- 112.8 (1994).

POST SEASON RECORDS: Holds Super Bowl single-game record for most touchdown passes -- 6 (January 29, 1995, vs. San Diego).
... Shares Super Bowl single-game record for most passes attempted without an interception -- 36 (January 29, 1995, vs. San Diego).
... Shares NFL postseason single-game record for most touchdown passes -- 6 (January 29, 1995, vs. San Diego).


15 posted on 02/05/2005 5:48:11 PM PST by WSGilcrest (Tinky likes it!)
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To: Perdogg

I have no problem with Irvin being a HOF. I just think Young is more deserving.


16 posted on 02/05/2005 5:56:10 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Perdogg

Jim Plunkett was great. Michael Irvin has a lot of baggage. I think he will get in eventually. How about Art Monk? His numbers dwarf those of Irvin and a lot of other WRs already in the hall.


17 posted on 02/05/2005 6:06:34 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: mainepatsfan
He was MUCH better than Jim Plunkett.

Would that be as a Pat or a Raider?

18 posted on 02/05/2005 6:08:07 PM PST by GOP_Raider (With a QB named Kerry, is it any wonder the Raiders finished 5-11 this year?)
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To: GOP_Raider

Both.


19 posted on 02/05/2005 6:09:21 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Rummyfan

I can't believe Monk isn't in. The guy was the all time catch leader until Rice passed him.


20 posted on 02/05/2005 6:10:24 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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