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Dimensional Door - Freeople Thread 21
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Posted on 01/19/2005 9:51:40 AM PST by Mo1



TOPICS: Dimensional Doorway; Freeoples
KEYWORDS: boomers; genxers; itsdarksfault; okers; yersetc
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To: Borax Queen

Yeah. That would have been a kick!


3,821 posted on 02/05/2005 5:13:57 PM PST by null and void (God must love stupid people - He made so many of them... (Not enough to win an election!) -restornu)
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To: restornu

Not really.

No.


3,822 posted on 02/05/2005 5:15:41 PM PST by null and void (God must love stupid people - He made so many of them... (Not enough to win an election!) -restornu)
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To: Borax Queen; sweetliberty

Sis' cat likes to unhelp with my already suspect typing skills.
Kearen (yes, second spelling, modified it from 'Kieren') has assisted in making me fall over.
She seems to have it in her head that if she makes me fall over, I'm prey.


3,823 posted on 02/05/2005 5:16:48 PM PST by Darksheare ("Cast off your amazing human ruse and show them our mighty robot form!" - but I'm a ghost!)
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To: null and void

On top of it, The Apprentice is one of my favorite shows.


3,824 posted on 02/05/2005 5:17:10 PM PST by Borax Queen ("But Senator Boxer, we went to war not because of aluminum tubes." - Dr. Rice)
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To: Borax Queen

*gentle cough* Ummm, I've never seen it...


3,825 posted on 02/05/2005 5:17:54 PM PST by null and void (God must love stupid people - He made so many of them... (Not enough to win an election!) -restornu)
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To: Correct; null and void
Did you lesrn learn any tips for the next even?

Do you keep a jounal for your game plan?

3,826 posted on 02/05/2005 5:18:01 PM PST by restornu (I am offcial DD invicible being......Ghosty! Harry Reid didn't CTR)
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To: Darksheare
if she makes me fall over, I'm prey.

Wow, I know she's big and you say you're on the small side, but that is too funny. The Tanker could probably take someone shorter than me out, even though his skinny legs aren't that strong.

3,827 posted on 02/05/2005 5:19:39 PM PST by Borax Queen ("But Senator Boxer, we went to war not because of aluminum tubes." - Dr. Rice)
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To: null and void

Ahhhhh, that could have been a good thing that you haven't. The first one was the best, imo. This is the third one and the people aren't as good-looking, and whine and cat-fight way too much. This show is the "street smarts" v. the "book smarts" (high schoolers who make more money than the group of college grads).


3,828 posted on 02/05/2005 5:21:40 PM PST by Borax Queen ("But Senator Boxer, we went to war not because of aluminum tubes." - Dr. Rice)
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To: Borax Queen

I suspect the Martha Stewart version will have its own flavor.


3,829 posted on 02/05/2005 5:22:50 PM PST by null and void (God must love stupid people - He made so many of them... (Not enough to win an election!) -restornu)
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To: null and void

Ahhh, true. Did you have to report if you have any kind of obsession, like house-cleaning, cooking pasta, etc.? Oh, but I guess you couldn't say; it's probably confidential...


3,830 posted on 02/05/2005 5:28:34 PM PST by Borax Queen ("But Senator Boxer, we went to war not because of aluminum tubes." - Dr. Rice)
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To: null and void

That is how you get in on these things you have to visualized your self there.........you have to have a game plan....you have to learn and know the currency that is used for this endeavor!


3,831 posted on 02/05/2005 5:38:55 PM PST by restornu (I am offcial DD invicible being......Ghosty! Harry Reid didn't CTR)
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To: Borax Queen; lodwick; westmex; grannie9; sweetliberty; Darksheare; null and void; ...

First Bank of Colorado Springs

Preston A. Lodge, III - banker



Costs and Comparisons
Many thanks to the "Alias, Smith & Jones" web site for agreeing to contribute to the following information. Other information taken from the "The Writer's Guide to Everyday Life in the 1800's."
Dollar conversions...

$1.00 in ____ = $______ today

1854 = $19.45

1861 = $18.01

1863 = $16.21

1864 = $13.15

1865 = $10.35

1867 = $11.05

1868 = $11.43

1869 = $11.80

1870 = $12.15

1871 = $12.83

1872 = $13.51

1873 = $13.80

1874 = $14.10

1875 = $14.40

1876 = $14.74

1877 = $14.97

1878 = $15.19


Interest Rates...

1869 -- 24% long term, 72% short term

1880 -- 10% long term, 36% short term

Telegrams...

The Telegraph Act of 1860 established a limit of $3 per every ten words, although in smaller towns such as this one, the cost was significantly less.

Monetary Words...

bit -- 1/8 of a dollar (2 bits = $.25 cents)

eagle -- $10 gold piece

double eagle -- $20 gold piece (1849)

gold dollar -- first minted in 1850's

half dime -- 1800-1873

half dollar -- first minted in 1801

half eagle -- $5 gold piece (1795)

nickel -- first minted in 1859

State Bank Notes -- issued prior to 1861 and usually redeemable only at the issuing bank; became National Bank Notes to make paper money valuable nation-wide

quarter -- first minted in 1804

quarter eagle -- $2.50 gold piece (1796-1907)

silver dollar -- first minted 1798

slug -- $50 dollar gold piece (1851)

V-spots -- $5 bills

Prices mentioned in the show...

Misc. references to money mentioned in the show...
Rewards offered at the time...
$300 -- Robbing a stagecoach (offered by the state of California and Wells Fargo)

$200 -- Robbing the US mail (offered by the Federal government)

$250 -- Cattle rustling (offered by the Wyoming Stock Growers Association)

A gold bar was stolen, Wells Fargo offered 25% of the value of the bar as a reward.

Rewards offered on well-known outlaws...

$10,000 in 1870 would be $121,527 today

$25,000 -- Jesse James

$15,000 -- Frank James

$15,000 -- The Younger Gang

$15,000 -- The Dalton Gang

$10,000 -- Sam Bass

$10,000 -- Sam and Belle Starr

$6,500 -- The Sundance Kid

$5,000 -- Butch Cassidy

$5,000 -- Billy the Kid

$5,000 -- Johnny Ringo

$1,000 -- Oliver Curtis Perry

$1,000 -- Black Bart

$500 -- Unknown stage coach robber

$300 -- Richard Perkins (highway robber)

$50,000 -- John Wilkes Booth

$25,000 Each -- Booth's accomplices

$1,000 -- Quantrill

Record - $100,000, for Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America
Lawmen's salaries...
1870--Abilene, KS, Tom Smith, initially paid $150 per month, later raised to $225.

1876--Wyatt Earp was paid $250/month in Dodge City, KS (considered a very high amount).

1878--Dodge City, Kansas marshal $100 per month, assistant marshal and policemen $75 per month

Salaries could be expected to vary by the size of the town, and the size of its problems.

Cost of hired guns...

Hired guns typically earned $100 to $150 per month though it could go as high as $250.

And the guns they used...

Pearl-handled matched set of Colt .45 Peacemakers with holsters $100

Classic Peacemaker -- $17.00 by mail order

cartridges -- $.50 cents/box

Robbery amounts attributed to the James-Younger gang...

Liberty, Missouri, $60,000
Lexington, Missouri, $2000
Richmond, Missouri, $4000
Russellville, Kentucky, $12,000
Gallatin, Missouri, $500
Corydon, Iowa, $6000
Columbia, Kentucky, $600
Kansas City, Missouri, $978
Ste. Genevieve, Missouri, $4000
Adair, Iowa, $2000-7000
Hot Spring, Arkansas, $4000
Gads Hill, Missouri, $2000-$20,000
Corinth, Missouri, $10,000
Muncie, Kansas, $30,000
Rocky Cut, Missouri, $15,000

Food prices...
1870's San Francisco restaurant prices:
Green turtle soup - 15 cents
Bouillon - 15 cents
Fried smelts - 25 cents
Fried cod - 25 cents
Porterhouse steak - 50 cents
Kidneys with wine sauce - 25 cents
Mallard ducks - 40 cents
Calf's liver - 25 cents
Boiled ham - 40 cents
Venison steak - 25 cents
Cold roast beef - 25 cents
Tea - 15 cents

1870:
Wheat per bushel - $1.02
Flour per barrel - $3.00
Corn per bushel - 40 cents
Molasses, gallon - 15 cents
Mess pork per barrel - $9
Mess beef per barrel - $8
Lard per pound - 6 cents
Butter per pound - 15 cents
Sugar per pound - 7 cents
Cheese per pound - 5 cents
Rice per pound - 5 cents

1872 Topeka, Kansas
Butter per pound - 15 cents
Eggs per dozen - 15 cents
Sugar per fourteen pounds - $1
Coffee per eight pounds - $1
Prunes per eighteen pounds - $1
Misc. prices...
Horses & gear...

Horse, average work horse -- $150

Horse, good saddle horse -- $200+

Wagon -- $65

Saddle -- $30, cowboy saddle -- $60

Harness -- $40 - $60

Buggy -- $65 - $85

Food...

oranges -- $.50/dozen

dried figs -- $.20/pound

dried apples -- $.10/pound

dried apricots -- $.15/pound

dried peaches -- $.12/pound

fresh peaches -- 3 for $.10

fresh apples -- 2 for $.05

sugar -- $.10/pound

flour -- $.04/pound

Miscellaneous...

Cigars -- $.05 -.10 each

Calico fabric -- $.07/yard

Men's suspenders -- $.25

Nails -- $.02/pound

Books -- hard cover average $.50

Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, 1,840 pages -- $12

New York Tribune Almanac -- $.25

German Student Lamp -- $5

Newspaper Subscription -- $3/year

Pump organs -- $99 to $340

Home and farm costs...

Land -- $5/acre (avg. 160 acres)

House -- 16'x22' (2 rooms) = $300

Shanty -- 8'x10' (1 room/dirt floor) = $25

Stable and well -- $150

Plows, cultivators, field equip. -- $325

Chairs -- $1.25 each

Bed, bureau and commode -- $15

Cookstove -- $25

Coal -- about $80 per year

Kerosene -- $.15/gallon

Land costs:

1870 - Land for development in Greeley, Colorado Territory $1 per acre

1870 - Farm land near Fort Scott, Kansas $12 to 20 per acre and unimproved lands within 12 miles $3 to 7 per acre

1873 - Nebraska improved farm lands $10 to 30 per acre; unimproved $4 to $10 per acre

1874 - Sutter County, California $20 to 80 per acre
Cattle prices...

heifer -- $18.75

cow -- $26

bull -- $75-105

3 year old steer -- $62

2 year old steer -- $22.50

yearlings -- $12.50

calves -- $2.50

Cowhands and cattledrives...

cost of a cattledrive $.01/mile per head of cattle

a cow worth $4 on the range would be worth $40 in Chicago

Cowboys -- $20 to $40 per month

Overseer -- $100 per month

Wages...

prostitute -- $200/month; $1-$5 per customer)

bank clerks -- $150/month

dance hall girls -- $.5-.25 cents/dance

other:

miner -- $20/week

common laborer -- $100/month

school teacher -- $30/month (small school)

steamboat pilot -- $600-$700/month

insurance company president -- $1000/month

reporters -- $20/week

printers -- $8/week

typesetters -- $4/week

printers devils -- $2.50/week

Prices from Montgomery Ward's 1872 catalog...

(Mongomery Ward's web site)

Gentleman's toilet set, including toothbrush, nail brush, razor, razor strop, lather brush, comb, hair brush -- $1.00

2 colored undershirts -- $1.25 (white -- $1.00)

2 colored drawers -- $1.25 (white -- $1.00)

3 New York Mills white shirts -- $2.50

6 pairs men's cotton socks -- $1.00

6 pairs Army wool socks -- $1.00

7 yards blue denim -- $1.00

3 yards plain cassimere [cashmere]-- $1.00

1 hoop skirt, 1 bustle, & 1 hair braid -- $1.00

1 ladies gold locket, plain -- $1.50 enameled -- $2.00

1 pair ladies earrings & pin set, imported -- $4.50

1 pair ladies solid gold ear drops -- $3.00

1 plain gold ring (all sizes) -- $2.00

1 silver plated hunting case watch -- $6.00

1 silk parasol -- $1.00

1 heavy plaid shawl -- $3.00
Gambling & liquor...
Marked cards $1.25 per pack
Specially marked/loaded dice, $5/set
Electric die, $2.50 each
Electric Dice Tables, $150

A Faro Dealer could make as much as $100 per week

Most poker games had a $1-$2 limit.
Bets at a Faro were typically $.25-$1
Dice could be played for as little as $.05/throw
Ten-cent chips at the roulette wheel were common

Liquor prices:

From a wholesale liquor store at Dodge City [Kansas became a "dry" state in 1880--no legal manufacture or sale of liquor]

High Mucky Muck (a soft drink), Energy, Fire Fly, Orinoco, Ginger Ale -- $20 per cask
British Bass Ale and Irish Guinness Stout -- $20 per cask
American brewed beers such as Anhauser -- $2 per case
Jamaica Rum -- $5 per gallon
Port and Sherry -- between $1 to $5 per gallon
Western brandy -- $15 per case
Gin -- $1.50 per gallon
Whiskey -- $2-$3 per gallon

Saloon beer prices fluctuated but on average: 2 glasses for $.25 cents or 2 bits.


3,832 posted on 02/05/2005 5:44:31 PM PST by restornu (I am offcial DD invicible being......Ghosty! Harry Reid didn't CTR)
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To: Borax Queen

No comment.


3,833 posted on 02/05/2005 5:44:58 PM PST by null and void (God must love stupid people - He made so many of them... (Not enough to win an election!) -restornu)
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To: Borax Queen

She nips my ankle on the achilles tendon.
Since she weighs in at 24 pounds, when she tosses herself against my leg to nip, she has some force to it.
And if I trip, she races over not out of concern for my safety, she's checking to see if I'm too hurt to feed her, or if I'm hurt enough that she can take me down.
;-)


3,834 posted on 02/05/2005 6:02:34 PM PST by Darksheare ("Cast off your amazing human ruse and show them our mighty robot form!" - but I'm a ghost!)
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To: sweetliberty

Now my keyboard is full of cat hair.
+++
That's why God gave us little cannisters of compressed air.


3,835 posted on 02/05/2005 6:16:39 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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Dust in the Wind - Kansas
3,836 posted on 02/05/2005 6:34:50 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: restornu

VERY interesting!


3,837 posted on 02/05/2005 7:46:35 PM PST by Borax Queen ("But Senator Boxer, we went to war not because of aluminum tubes." - Dr. Rice)
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To: Darksheare

24 pounds, I can't believe it. Tankers is skinny by comparison at 17.


3,838 posted on 02/05/2005 8:06:09 PM PST by Borax Queen ("But Senator Boxer, we went to war not because of aluminum tubes." - Dr. Rice)
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To: lodwick

The rocker nuns in my Catholic school always played us that song.


3,839 posted on 02/05/2005 8:11:39 PM PST by Borax Queen ("But Senator Boxer, we went to war not because of aluminum tubes." - Dr. Rice)
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To: Borax Queen

Rocker nuns?


3,840 posted on 02/05/2005 8:16:33 PM PST by sweetliberty (Blind stupidity or blind loyalty is still blind.)
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