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The Neverending Story
Free Republic | 3/24/01 | The NES Crew

Posted on 01/11/2005 6:18:33 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

After a nine month hiatus, The Neverending Story, the granddaddy of daily threads, has returned to Free Republic. Originally begun on March 24, 2001, as a religious discussion thread, the NES evolved over time into a daily thread spanning a wide variety of topics. The new and improved Neverending Story will feature conversation on religion, politics, culture, current events, business, sports, family, hobbies, general fellowship and more. We welcome you to hang your hat in our little corner of FR. We ask you to abide by the FR posting rules and, even in the midst of serious debate, to keep the discussion friendly and respectful. Those who wish to "duke it out" are asked to take it over to the Smoky Backroom. I placed this thread in "General/Chat" for a reason, so play nice and have fun! :o)


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To: SoothingDave
I have one of those temperature thingies, too. Upgraded this year to the wireless one. It is still near the window so it gets heat from the house throwing it off a bit. Still, last night it read "11" which meant it was about 4 or 5.

I bought a wireless one this year because I was "unhappy" with my outdoor thermometer, outside the kitchen window telling me it was 60F when it was really 10F. My remote is now in a spot which is in constant shade. (I am now at the 24 hour high - 9.7F.
721 posted on 01/18/2005 10:38:58 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
outside the kitchen window telling me it was 60F when it was really 10F.

Buddy.... you need new windows/insulation. That isn't your eyesight going, it's the ice building up on the inside of leaky single-pane windows.

722 posted on 01/18/2005 10:41:10 AM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: OLD REGGIE
for many years they taught that she was a prostitute. (One of the few changes in Catholic teaching over the years.

Once again, Reggie shows himself incapable of understanding what is and what is not "Catholic teaching." There is no official Catholic teaching on Mary Magdalene. Not everything need be dogmatic. Neither is every pious tradition which may stem from legend evidence of evil intent.

Before you get to it, there were no "three wise men" and they didn't come to visit Jesus in the manger.

SD

723 posted on 01/18/2005 10:43:35 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: IMRight; OLD REGGIE
outside the kitchen window telling me it was 60F when it was really 10F.

Buddy.... you need new windows/insulation.

Not really. You get the sun beating down on one of those temperature transmitters, especially the wired ones, and it will tell you just about anything.

SD

724 posted on 01/18/2005 10:45:16 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Before you get to it, there were no "three wise men" and they didn't come to visit Jesus in the manger.

Everything I believed as a child just came crashing down. Thanx. I suppose next you're going to tell me there was no Santa? :-)

725 posted on 01/18/2005 10:45:45 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
The NT bible was written so that people could believe and become Christian. All events put together is WHY we believe. The OT has to be true because of the NT, the NT has to be true because of the OT:) Does that make sense?

Yes it does. That is, it makes sense to me based on my understanding of your belief. I certainly don't believe the Old Testament was written for "Christians". Jesus wasn't a "Christian". The Apostles weren't "Christians". All that came later.

I can accept that our versions of the Bible, both O.T. & N.T. are essentially correct and that is good enough for me.

Further, I believe your salvation is based on who and what you are, not what man made organization you belong to.

726 posted on 01/18/2005 10:49:29 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: SoothingDave
It's just like the football gods have declared that anyone who puts on a Steeler uniform is going to be victorious. The uniform is a symbol of the level of excellence acheived by the individual players. They could put Myron Cope in a Steeler uniform, but it won't make him a good football player.

Excellent spin. Meaningless but excellent.

Mary guarantees your salvation if you wear the Brown Scapular.

727 posted on 01/18/2005 10:53:49 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Mary guarantees your salvation if you wear the Brown Scapular.

Tut tut....

Sounds more like she gurantees that you won't "suffer eternal fire". Maybe they have some sort of "eternal lava" section in He11 for the unsaved who die wearing a scapular.

728 posted on 01/18/2005 11:02:06 AM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: IMRight
That would be an interesting argument if there were a copy of the Septuagint that used "like a lion" - there isn't. There ARE, however, MT manuscripts that are NOT consistent with the "like a lion" argument (though it now opens up whether the correct translation is "dug" or "pierced" - it is not "like a lion").

How many copies of, or portions of, the Septuagint have "dissapeared".

You will argue till the cows come home about the Aramaic word for ROCK yet you cannot produce one single piece of paper. In this instance the particular missing piece of paper is meaningless?

Tell ya what; if I accept your argument for the correctness of "pierced" based on the absence of evidence will you abandon your argument for the correctness of "ROCK" for the same reason?

(Or "cousin" for that matter).

729 posted on 01/18/2005 11:03:57 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
You will argue till the cows come home about the Aramaic word for ROCK yet you cannot produce one single piece of paper. In this instance the particular missing piece of paper is meaningless?

You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not aware of a single manuscript (for the book in question of course) that does NOT have the Aramaic for "rock". Transliterated, perhaps... but no question that it is there.

Also, there a big difference between being unable to produce a "manuscript" that nobody claims ever existed and assuming that more modern MT manuscripts reflect an earlier document when there is no evidence to support the claim - and plenty to refute it.

730 posted on 01/18/2005 11:09:11 AM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: IMRight; malakhi
Can you supply a usage of the word (in or out of the OT) where it clearly did NOT mean "virgin"?

As soon as you supply proof that the usage in Isaiah did mean "virgin".

We are wasting our time. I defer to the OT scholars who insist that Isaiah doesn't presage Mary and the virgin birth of Jesus in the first place.

731 posted on 01/18/2005 11:11:13 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
What do you know today Reggie? :)

BigMack

I know NOTHING!

732 posted on 01/18/2005 11:16:15 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Just to be clear, so I"M not put n the camp of a biblical unitairin:) it's a VERY small way that we are in agreement:)

Becky

:-)

733 posted on 01/18/2005 11:18:05 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Excellent spin. Meaningless but excellent.

This has to be the twentieth time I've told you that just because you can find no meaning, that doesn't mean there isn't one there. Perhaps if you opened your mind you would see it?

Mary guarantees your salvation if you wear the Brown Scapular.

Maybe so. But that depends on what "wear" means. Simplistic and reflexive anti-Catholic folks tend to take this on the most literal level, in order to make claims of superstition. Kinda like you're doing.

Policemen sometimes talk about a brotherhood of all those who "wear the uniform." That doesn't mean if some nut impersonates a policeman in order to pull over young women, he is entitled to the rights and privleges of the police fraternity.

Wearing the uniform does mean something and imposters and scam artists don't count.

SD

734 posted on 01/18/2005 11:20:41 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
As soon as you supply proof that the usage in Isaiah did mean "virgin".

Same argument really. The Greek translation in use by the Jews of the time translated the word as "virgin". BEFORE there was a theological reason to do so. Obviously SOMEBODY with a solid knowledge of the text (who had NO reason to support the Christian argument because there WERE no Christians) felt that "virgin" was appropriate.

We are wasting our time. I defer to the OT scholars who insist that Isaiah doesn't presage Mary and the virgin birth of Jesus in the first place.

That makes it sould like "OT scholars" all insist this. That simply isn't the case.

735 posted on 01/18/2005 11:21:29 AM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: OLD REGGIE; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Just to be clear, so I"M not put n the camp of a biblical unitairin:) it's a VERY small way that we are in agreement

It isn't the SIZE of the agreement that matters, its.....

...actually.. I guess it IS.

736 posted on 01/18/2005 11:23:11 AM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: IMRight
Buddy.... you need new windows/insulation. That isn't your eyesight going, it's the ice building up on the inside of leaky single-pane windows.

Pay attention ding dong. outside the kitchen window. Outdoors. In the sun. Understand?

There is no place in my yard where I could place a thermometer, which I could read from the inside, which doesn't get the sun.

737 posted on 01/18/2005 11:24:20 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: SoothingDave
Once again, Reggie shows himself incapable of understanding what is and what is not "Catholic teaching."

If you, ever in your life, said that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute I am satisfied that it was "Catholic Teaching". You have told me so yourself.
738 posted on 01/18/2005 11:27:34 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: IMRight
Tut tut....

Sounds more like she gurantees that you won't "suffer eternal fire". Maybe they have some sort of "eternal lava" section in He11 for the unsaved who die wearing a scapular.

Is there some small possibility of your embaressment concerning some of the beliefs about Mary and her words which have come from Fatima?

Does the RCC teach that The Fatima story is authentic?

739 posted on 01/18/2005 11:34:14 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Pay attention ding dong. outside the kitchen window. Outdoors. In the sun. Understand?

IT was a JOKE numbnuts.

Personally, I don't use the things. I just send my oldest son barefoot across the lawn to get the paper. I can tell how far below freezing it is by the color of his feet.

740 posted on 01/18/2005 11:34:48 AM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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