Posted on 01/11/2005 6:18:33 PM PST by malakhi
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When was that? :-)
What is this "other side" you speak of.
I think I have made it pretty clear that I believe salvation is possible through complete faith in Jesus as your personal saviour and that this belief is not necessary for your salvation!
If you beileve he New Testament is true it makes a big difference.
BigMack
What got all this started???? I Amen Dave for saying Mary was a virgin, and suddenly you put me in the Catholic Camp. Who are you to criticize me???
Becky
I hate you. :)
BigMack
Thank you. I can feel like a victim now. Hey, this feels pretty good. :-)
I know that, and you know that most of the prophecy's about Christ in the Old Testament are dual prophecy's and thats the reason I believe the Jews are blinded to accept these as true.
BigMack
Exactly. The meaning of these OT verses is amplified by subsequent events, told in the NT. If these verses can be understood to be referring to a virgin giving birth to an Incarnate "God-With-Us" and a virgin did indeed give birth to Emmanuel, that kinda decides what it means, doesn't it?
SD
I guess I just missed that, I didn't know you were THAT far off track. :)
BigMack
And the Creation tale is a story about a piece of fruit.
SD
I know that, and you know that most of the prophecy's about Christ in the Old Testament are dual prophecy's and thats the reason I believe the Jews are blinded to accept these as true.
That was actually for Becky because she asked me about the "days that have not come." But that's ok. You're just trying to be mean again. :-)
I used to think they were dual prophecies. Until I grew up and became blind. :-)
Font color=red" I believe that Jesus is equivalent to God to those who believe He is God.
I believe the doctrine of the Trinity is a man made doctrine.
I believe Jesus never claimed to be God.
I believe "On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father."
I will never attempt to force anyone to believe Jesus is the one and only God nor will I tell them they must believe so or be branded as a heretic.
I guess I will insist that it be proven from Scripture, not from the reasoning of men.
4,486 posted on 09/19/2003 3:10 PM EDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
Had I moved over to "the other side" then?
Well, even if for arguments sake I assumed Mack was correct and that these prophecies are dual, there had to be an original context. So back off or I'll cheer for the Patriots this week. :-)
IMO that would of been the time.
BigMack
I don't think anyone's saying there isn't an "original context." Of course there is. But that's not all there is.
SD
Fine. If you want to compare the original context of these verses in Isaiah to a piece of fruit, be my guest. Its my opinion the Messianic context of these verses are forced.
Becky
You also Amen'd to her Perpetual Virginity. That is what I questioned.
"Don't worry. You won't see Catholics without the Virgin Mary. 1 spark is barking up the wrong tree. Almah being better-translated as "maiden" than "virgin" doesn't change the fact that Mary was, is and will ever be a Virgin.
Why are you attacking me? Don't you know how sensitive I am?
I don't think anyone's saying there isn't an "original context." Of course there is. But that's not all there is.
Thanks Dave, now if you accept the New Testament as true, there in lays the REST OF THE STORY.
BigMack
I misread Dave's post. I thought he was saying that to him Mary would always be virgin as Christs mother. I wasn't thinking of the "perpetual virgin" issue. Show's how catholic I am.
Becky
BigMack
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