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The Neverending Story
Free Republic | 3/24/01 | The NES Crew

Posted on 01/11/2005 6:18:33 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

After a nine month hiatus, The Neverending Story, the granddaddy of daily threads, has returned to Free Republic. Originally begun on March 24, 2001, as a religious discussion thread, the NES evolved over time into a daily thread spanning a wide variety of topics. The new and improved Neverending Story will feature conversation on religion, politics, culture, current events, business, sports, family, hobbies, general fellowship and more. We welcome you to hang your hat in our little corner of FR. We ask you to abide by the FR posting rules and, even in the midst of serious debate, to keep the discussion friendly and respectful. Those who wish to "duke it out" are asked to take it over to the Smoky Backroom. I placed this thread in "General/Chat" for a reason, so play nice and have fun! :o)


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To: SoothingDave
If your husband gives you flowers this weekend, it means he thinks you're God?

Gee Dave, where did I make any mention about G-d? Can you explain why flowers are given to a graven/molten image? And why they recited some prayer to MAry while palcing that wreath on the statue?

2,921 posted on 05/05/2005 10:08:00 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Gee Dave, where did I make any mention about G-d?

The implication is usually that this is some form of worship.

Can you explain why flowers are given to a graven/molten image?

Could be it's symbolic.

And why they recited some prayer to MAry while palcing that wreath on the statue?

Because May is the month of Mary.

SD

2,922 posted on 05/05/2005 10:22:28 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Why pray to Mary? Why not just go straight to YHWH?

The priest did explain that they were revering Mary because her body was taken to heaven. I wanted so much to yell out, 'What book and verse is that?'

2,923 posted on 05/05/2005 10:31:02 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: SoothingDave; ET(end tyranny)
Speaking of which, last Sunday when my nephew/godson made his first communion we also got to watch the girl place the wreath of flowers on the head of the statue of Mary. One of my cousins and I looked at each other and cringed.

If your husband gives you flowers this weekend, it means he thinks you're God?

Some of us are uncomfortable with such veneration being directed toward a statue. While I do understand the inner intentionality of such gestures -- that the veneration is directed toward the 'real' Mary (which in itself is a rich field for theological disagreement), and not to the image -- the outward form looks, from my perspective, too closely akin to idolatry. Thus the cringe factor.

2,924 posted on 05/05/2005 10:35:36 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: ET(end tyranny); Invincibly Ignorant; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Before we have a name contest, we have to know what kind of music they're gonna play. For example, if they are going to play 50's/60's rock, they could be the Hot Tops. :o)


2,925 posted on 05/05/2005 10:39:14 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I wanted so much to yell out, 'What book and verse is that?'

The same one that says "May is the month of Mary". ;o)

2,926 posted on 05/05/2005 10:40:00 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Why pray to Mary? Why not just go straight to YHWH?

Why not pray to Mary and the other saints? Why exclude God's family from your prayer life?

Too much of the individualism common in American Protestantism reduces salvation to strictly a "Jesus and me" thing. I look forward not only to uniting with God, but also to uniting with all of God's saints.

SD

2,927 posted on 05/05/2005 11:01:14 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi
Some of us are uncomfortable with such veneration being directed toward a statue. While I do understand the inner intentionality of such gestures -- that the veneration is directed toward the 'real' Mary (which in itself is a rich field for theological disagreement), and not to the image -- the outward form looks, from my perspective, too closely akin to idolatry.

Without an incarnational God, you have a point.

SD

2,928 posted on 05/05/2005 11:02:49 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi
Before we have a name contest, we have to know what kind of music they're gonna play. For example, if they are going to play 50's/60's rock, they could be the Hot Tops. :o)

I'm not sure how this fits in, but I just have to say:

Mack the Hoople

SD

2,929 posted on 05/05/2005 11:03:57 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi

what do you mean contest? I've already won. :-)


2,930 posted on 05/05/2005 11:24:57 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: SoothingDave
Why not pray to Mary and the other saints? 1 Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If you accept 1 Ti 2:5 then you accept that there is only one mediator, so, why do you pray to Mary and others? What's the purpose?

Isaiah 42
8 I am YHWH, that is My name; and My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images.

Hmm, YHWH doesn't praise graven images, so we probably shouldn't be doing so either.

Isaiah 49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine; and all flesh shall know that I YHWH am thy Saviour, and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

2,931 posted on 05/05/2005 11:43:02 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: malakhi

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2,932 posted on 05/05/2005 12:20:35 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: ET(end tyranny)
If you accept 1 Ti 2:5 then you accept that there is only one mediator, so, why do you pray to Mary and others? What's the purpose?

Why would you ask anyone to pray for you?

SD

2,933 posted on 05/05/2005 1:31:41 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Why would you ask anyone to pray for you?

1 Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

I guess you don't accept 1 Ti 2:5 as innerant.

2,934 posted on 05/05/2005 1:35:17 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: SoothingDave

Incidentally, if Yehoshua is both G-d/YHWH and a man, why would he need a mediator? In fact, why would G-d need a mediator at all? Doesn't YHWH already know what we think and feel and what is in our hearts? Why would He need a human to tell Him what He already knows?


2,935 posted on 05/05/2005 1:43:56 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Incidentally, if Yehoshua is both G-d/YHWH and a man, why would he need a mediator? In fact, why would G-d need a mediator at all? Doesn't YHWH already know what we think and feel and what is in our hearts? Why would He need a human to tell Him what He already knows?

LOL. God doesn't need a mediator. We do.

Jesus is quite literally the link between humanity and divinity. He has one foot in both camps. He's the bridge.

It's like having a child mediate a fight between two parents, cause the child is literally the combination of the two parents. The Child is what brings us together.

SD

2,936 posted on 05/05/2005 1:54:32 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

You don't need a mediator. If you did, Yehoshua wouldn't have told you how to pray. You know, 'The Our Father'. How many mediators do you think you need?

1 Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


2,937 posted on 05/05/2005 2:02:32 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
So you never ask anyone to pray for you?

SD

2,938 posted on 05/05/2005 2:05:22 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
So you never ask anyone to pray for you?

I have never asked a dead person to pray for me.
2,939 posted on 05/05/2005 2:12:20 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: SoothingDave

1 Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Is this verse innerant or not? How many mediators do you think you need?

Why are you avoiding aswering?


2,940 posted on 05/05/2005 2:12:24 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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