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The Neverending Story
Free Republic | 3/24/01 | The NES Crew

Posted on 01/11/2005 6:18:33 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

After a nine month hiatus, The Neverending Story, the granddaddy of daily threads, has returned to Free Republic. Originally begun on March 24, 2001, as a religious discussion thread, the NES evolved over time into a daily thread spanning a wide variety of topics. The new and improved Neverending Story will feature conversation on religion, politics, culture, current events, business, sports, family, hobbies, general fellowship and more. We welcome you to hang your hat in our little corner of FR. We ask you to abide by the FR posting rules and, even in the midst of serious debate, to keep the discussion friendly and respectful. Those who wish to "duke it out" are asked to take it over to the Smoky Backroom. I placed this thread in "General/Chat" for a reason, so play nice and have fun! :o)


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To: SoothingDave
If they wanted to go to Heaven, then they shouldn't have gotten themselves burned up.

What does your statement say about Yehoshua death on the cross?

Guess you better hope you're never in a plane crash or an incident like 9/11.

That's the difference between my G-d YHWH and your god Yehoshua. The G-d I believe and trust in doesn't have limitations.

2,401 posted on 04/13/2005 8:16:12 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
God never intended people to fly on airplanes. So He can't be responsible for what happens to your body if you get it blown to bits in an accident.

SD

2,402 posted on 04/13/2005 8:19:00 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi
Are you a shortwave buff? I did the CB stuff many years ago, and always thought shortwave was cool.

Hey, you guys cold over there today? It was 34 this morning. Almost got out the winter coat again!

2,403 posted on 04/13/2005 8:19:57 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: SoothingDave
I suppose G-d didn't expect people to use fire to cook their food, wear clothing that could catch fire, didn't expect people to live in buildings that would catch fire, straw roofs and all that.

Can you support your position with any verses? I don't recall any verses that said 'tend your fires well, for if you catch fire and burn up, you have no place in the world to come.'

Maybe I missed it, could you please post it for me.

2,404 posted on 04/13/2005 8:25:03 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
No, I'm not a shortwave user. I'm sure I would have been, had the internet not come along when it did.

It is 47° right now, going up to around 60 today. Still a little breezy, but not a cloud in the sky. Down into the low 30s again tonight, but then highs for the next several days are forecast to be in the low to mid-60s, with lows in the 40s.

2,405 posted on 04/13/2005 8:27:28 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: ET(end tyranny)

I think Dave is pulling your leg, ET.


2,406 posted on 04/13/2005 8:27:54 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Can you support your position with any verses?

47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

OBviously, Jesus is saying that it is better to enter Heaven maimed than it is to go to hell with all of your eyes and feet and hands intact. This demonstrates that we go into Heaven with whatever body parts we have when we die.

SD

2,407 posted on 04/13/2005 8:29:40 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Or I could be pulling your leg cause you assume I believe a certain thing anyway, despite my attempts on the last 100 thread-page to explain otherwise.

Catholics believe that human remains should be respected and not scattered to the wind.

This is not, as you believe, the same thing as saying we believe God lacks the power to Resurrect such a scattered body.

Neither do we teach crippled children that it's gonna suck having polio for all eternity. (Though I hold out the possibility that those who deliberately maim their own bodies may find themselves wishing they didn.t)

SD

2,408 posted on 04/13/2005 8:33:20 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi

Yeah, I considered that, too and thought I'd see just how obtuse he was going to be. That contorted verse interpretation clinched it for me. :)


2,409 posted on 04/13/2005 8:33:26 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: SoothingDave

What you or the catholic church thinks, teaches or believes is nothing. Not worth spit. What matters is what YHWH desires. His will is ALL.


2,410 posted on 04/13/2005 8:34:44 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: malakhi
It is 47° right now, going up to around 60 today. Still a little breezy, but not a cloud in the sky. Down into the low 30s again tonight, but then highs for the next several days are forecast to be in the low to mid-60s, with lows in the 40s.

We've gone almost 5 days without any rain, and there's none on the 5 day forecast. That's quite unusual. Last weekend was gorgeous, now temps are right about where they should be: high 50s. Sure seemed cold after it being near 80 the other day.

2,411 posted on 04/13/2005 8:37:04 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ET(end tyranny); malakhi
What matters is what YHWH desires. His will is ALL.

Can you point to me where YHWH calls for cremation and scattering of ashes. What does the Law say about handling the dead?

SD

2,412 posted on 04/13/2005 8:39:19 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

In other words, the church could say and teach that people that ever wore the color red are in a state of mortal sin and it would mean ablsoultely nil. So, just because you or the church thinks that scattering ashes is disrespectful, doesn't make it so.


2,413 posted on 04/13/2005 8:40:19 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: SoothingDave
Can you point to me where YHWH calls for cremation and scattering of ashes.

There is no command to cremate, and I never said there was. You show me where the command to not cremate is. If it were so important that we not cremate, YHWH would not have left it out of His Commands. He commands us not to steal, so why wouldn't He command us to not cremate, if it were that important?

Those handling the dead are impure and that goes for those touching and burying the dead, too.

2,414 posted on 04/13/2005 8:54:31 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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Over 2,400 posts and no Limahl.


2,415 posted on 04/13/2005 8:56:20 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: ET(end tyranny)
There is no command to cremate, and I never said there was. You show me where the command to not cremate is.

What does the Law say to do with the dead?

Those handling the dead are impure and that goes for those touching and burying the dead, too.

What does the Law say to do with the dead? I presume it says to bury them, but I don't really know. Can you point me to the relevant passages?

2,416 posted on 04/13/2005 8:57:30 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
1 Samuel 31
12 All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.
13 And they took their bones, and buried them under a tree at Jabesh, and fasted seven days.

Here is an instance where cremations took place, followed by burials.

2,417 posted on 04/13/2005 9:11:19 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: SoothingDave
I'd also like to point out that there is a difference between murdering or sacrificing someone to die by fire and cremating an already dead body.

A lot of people were burned to death by the church as witches and or heretics. In cases where the person was wrongfully accused and burned, do you hold the church responsible for depriving that person of heaven?

2,418 posted on 04/13/2005 9:30:34 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Here is an instance where cremations took place, followed by burials.

Which is exactly what I am arguing is the proper thing to do. If you cremate a body, bury what remains. Don't scatter it.

SD

2,419 posted on 04/13/2005 9:54:39 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I'd also like to point out that there is a difference between murdering or sacrificing someone to die by fire and cremating an already dead body.

Is there really?

A lot of people were burned to death by the church as witches and or heretics. In cases where the person was wrongfully accused and burned, do you hold the church responsible for depriving that person of heaven?

No one was ever wrongfully burned. If she wasn't a witch, she would not have burned.

SD

2,420 posted on 04/13/2005 9:56:06 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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