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Apple announces $499 Macintosh
AppleInsider ^ | January 11, 2005

Posted on 01/11/2005 10:49:21 AM PST by HAL9000

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To: KwasiOwusu
You see, malignant virus writers hardly bother with Macs at all.. I mean 2% share.. hardly worth the bother.

Really? You don't think a lib or Arab hacker mad over Iraq might want to take down the U.S. Army web site? It's running OS X.

Writers don't always write for the majority OS, they also write for the easiest one to take down, which is Windows. In this case, the two are the same. Like the recent hacker study, Windows does have a lower TC0, that is, a lower Total Cost of 0wn3r5h1p.

281 posted on 01/12/2005 1:57:22 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: HAL9000; GSWarrior; KwasiOwusu
We can agree that there are a vast number of Windows viruses (At least 68,000 according to Symantec - not including worms and spyware) - and Mac OS X is relatively virus-free.

I like that. Let's see, 14 million is 1.8% of the market, which means maybe ~784 million Windows boxes. Now if Windows has 68,000 viruses in the wild then that means the Mac should have at least 1,200 viruses by now. Let's give a BIG fudge factor to our guests due to the smaller marketshare, say by one hundred, so maybe the Mac should have at least 12 viruses out there. Nope, still not.

Sorry dudes. UNIX has been fighting off attacks in a networked environment for over 30 years, and the developers have learned how to secure the OS far better than Windows, which barely learned how to network about 12 years ago.

282 posted on 01/12/2005 2:08:09 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: general_re
but it's pretty clear that it will prove to be a dead end sooner or later

It basically did. Intel stalled for a while around 3 GHz, and they've apparently hit a wall now with the cancellation of the 4 GHz Pentium. Around the same time came the announcements of dual-core. It's obvious that the clock speed race is over.

That leaves Intel with a dead-end technology, while IBM and AMD both have chips that do more at less clock and already have working dual-core designs (although not released yet). Plus IBM and AMD still have room to easily increase their clocks by 40%.

All of that is very bad for Intel. I hope they get their act together, because I love the competition. Don't want IBM or AMD to get complacent.

283 posted on 01/12/2005 2:15:01 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: KwasiOwusu
But the moment Firefox market share rose to 6% in 2004, the # of viruses for Firefox jumped dramatically

First, they're not viruses. Second, they are rarely as severe as those in IE (better architecture). Third, Mozilla has had lots of security bugs through the years. You only know about the recent ones since you only recently discovered that Firefox exists.

284 posted on 01/12/2005 2:18:13 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3; KwasiOwusu
to which Kwazy said 'well until I see a side by side I dont know'.

It took me two minutes to look up three sets of benchmarks with the Itanium and the Xeon/P4. Could it really be that hard? Besides, I didn't really want to pick one for him -- he'd probably say it's not "real world." Let him pick one for himself after two minutes on Google.

I have to admit something though. I was one of Itanium's original detractors, but the latest Itanium 2 is pretty smokin', although damn expensive.

285 posted on 01/12/2005 2:24:59 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: GSWarrior

no it is becasue it has a better security model and lacks all the holes present in Windows. For example, most servers run Linux or some other unix variant. By your logic we should see tons of Linux viruses.


286 posted on 01/12/2005 4:28:25 PM PST by minus_273
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To: KwasiOwusu
actually, I've made 2 processors in college. go and read some of intels own statements on the P4 (not pentium in general). The have abandoned P4 and are going back to P3 cores (do you understand any of that?).
I think you are a troll becasue
1. you find it necessary to call apple "CRAPPLE" 2. you are deleberately trying to annoy people 3. you insult people in your posts dont bother replying, im not going to feed you anymore. This is just to point out you are a troll to anyone who hasn't figured it out already
287 posted on 01/12/2005 4:35:39 PM PST by minus_273
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To: KwasiOwusu
I wouldn't. Because I'd never buy a Mac.

You like them, admit it. Otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time in these threads :-)
288 posted on 01/12/2005 4:50:10 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: antiRepublicrat
All of that is very bad for Intel. I hope they get their act together, because I love the competition. Don't want IBM or AMD to get complacent.

Agreed. I hope Intel sorts out all of their problems and gets back in the race, otherwise we could find ourselves with higher prices and lower increases in performance over the long run, although the flip side is, not many people need anything faster than 2GHz, unless they are hardcore gamers or doing video editing. Most people would do just fine with two, three, maybe even four year old machines (and many people do).

It is interesting that Apple chose to really start going after market share for the desktop, at this time though. the iPod is strong, the CPU wars are cooling off, and people are more concerned about software working and working well, and about how their content is delivered (broadband vs dial-up).
289 posted on 01/12/2005 5:11:58 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: KwasiOwusu
The PowerBook 5300, introduced in 1995, was the first PowerBook with a PowerPC CPU but is better known as the "Flaming PowerBook."

Whow! TEN YEARS... you really hold a grudge, don't you?

Again, the vast majority of the 5300s performed impeccably and did not catch fire. I had one. The motherboard connection (which was weak) for the power brick broke five years after I got it... Apple replaced the motherboard. My cost? ZERO.

After the first release 5300s the rest of the 5300 models did not suffer from these problems.

Despite this aberation, the Apple PowerBook line has a reputation for robustness and reliability.

290 posted on 01/12/2005 5:39:21 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: KwasiOwusu

I could also point out to you Apple's handling of another lemon product (and every manufacturer has them). Apple wide carriage ImageWriter II dot matrix printer did not hold up as well as the normal carriage ImageWriter II... in fact, they sucked big time. After a couple of years or so, Apple offered all owners of the wide carriage ImageWriter II a FREE Apple LaserWriter...


291 posted on 01/12/2005 5:45:23 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: KwasiOwusu
Still wrong analogy. You see, malignant virus writers hardly bother with Macs at all.. I mean 2% share.. hardly worth the bother. Nearly all their efforts are concentrated on Windows.

Still waiting for your example of a Mac OSX spyware in the wild...

292 posted on 01/12/2005 5:47:47 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: af_vet_rr; KwasiOwusu
You like them, admit it. Otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time in these threads :-)

Dang Kwasi, they're on to you!

293 posted on 01/12/2005 6:05:49 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: JenB
Building your own is easy and fun! Other than getting a case with a power supply pre-installed (I don't mess with electricity) I'm doing all my own stuff.

Amen to that, though installing your own power supply couldn't be simpler. It's simply a self-contained box with 4 mounting screws. Besides, most cases I've seen with pre-installed power supplies have underpowered supplies (IMHO, anything less than 400 watts is underpowered, and if you have the top-end Nvidia or ATI video card, better make it 500W).

294 posted on 01/13/2005 4:45:34 AM PST by steveegg (The secret goal of lieberals - to ensure that no future generation can possibly equal theirs.)
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To: general_re
Uh.. I don't even think I mentioned what OS was at issue. But, I will restate my point was all about the New Intel Mobo that is in service to a New P4 3Ghz processor.. and that IRQ's still matter despite all of the hype and statements to the contrary. And worse.. because they aren't supposed to matter any more.. the mobo manufacturers are apparently not providing the utilities and BIOS functions to steer the situation when it doesn't go the right way.

This was the old EISA config utilities.. and no these don't exist anymore either.

295 posted on 01/13/2005 9:24:19 AM PST by dalight
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To: Swordmaker
But is it really spyware if you have to give your password to allow it to install? I think at that point.. it has to be nosy guest-ware.
296 posted on 01/13/2005 9:32:09 AM PST by dalight
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To: KwasiOwusu
The 5300 was one of a whole class of machines that all came out at the same time.. which were all dogs.. and this event nearly killed Apple.. so they paid a very heavy price.

However, thats 2 CEO's ago, and long before the introduction of the iMac, the G3, the G4, the G5, iBooks, OS X, iPods.. and a whole progression of wild successes that have brought Apple back from the brink to being highly enjoyable and desirable. 1997 was like.. uh.. 8 years ago. Get over it. Or don't. What ever.. this is starting to sound like counting ballots in Ohio.. when the real fraud was occurring in Washington.

297 posted on 01/13/2005 9:44:52 AM PST by dalight
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To: dalight
But is it really spyware if you have to give your password to allow it to install? I think at that point.. it has to be nosy guest-ware.

It's stupid-ware if you install it yourself without knowing that it will be "calling home" with information about you.

I am still waiting for Kwasi to produce an example from the wild...

298 posted on 01/13/2005 9:52:31 AM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: general_re
x86 is at an end. AMD made a nod to it by continuing with their Athlon 64 architecture.. but as someone else said.. this is done with smoke and mirrors. AMD just provided very effective emulation to run x86 in hardware level virtual machine.. But both Intel and AMD are biting the bullet and moving on. Microsoft has abstracted their OS enough that it can also rise above the x86 at some point in the near future and this will be the end.

Linux is independent of x86 so it is running in native mode on both Opteron and Itanium processors. The PPC has moved on.. too this chip (the G5) is also known as PowerPC 970. Shockingly in relative terms this chip is getting long in the tooth. But it has a stunning advantage over compeditive 64bit processors. The largest of which is that the PPC 970 uses about half the wattage of the Itanium or Opteron at similar frequencies. This might not seem like much but Intel compatible gamers are now talking about 700watt power supplies as standard equipment!!! Todays coolers are miracles of technology sucking the heat of a 100 watt light bulb out of a device perhaps half the size of your pinky fingernail. If the coolers fail for just one second .. China Syndrome! This used to be a complaint about the Athlon Chip long long ago. Now chips immediately cut off when the temperature gets above their already screamingly hot comfort zone.

This is a nice article from Ars Technica on PPC 970 vs. Pentium 4 architectures

Anyone really interested in the depths of these comparisons can read the following article.. which is awesome.

This is a good article comparing Power5 processor to the current Itanium offering

299 posted on 01/13/2005 10:33:55 AM PST by dalight
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To: KwasiOwusu

If I remember correctly that 2% market share statistic that everyone loves to throw around is only the number of new systems sold. It is not taking into account the number of systems in actual use.

I am both a Mac user and a PC user, I work for a company that had Macs and switched to pc's. I work in the IT department, most of the technicians I work with are well informed and very and good at what they do. However, even they are still thinking of Macintosh and the Mac OS as it was in the late 80's early 90's. They could not understand why I bought it until they have seen that if I wanted to I could do my job on this machine. I have Office, Lotus Notes, I can remote control Windows XP machines to do work on them as I do with my Windows box now. It easily connected to my XP machine and shared files, it allowed me to connect to NT Domain resources. The built in Bluetooth was of interest to them as well.

In my office is the last of the new Macintoshes my company bought before switching over to Windows machines. It is a Power Macintosh G4 350mhz tower, it was built in 1999. It is running the most current version of Apples OS, Mac OS X 10.3, it has two Firewire ports they came standard. It is still a viable machine to work on, a lot of Mac users keep their machines for long periods of time because they are still able to run the newest versions of software. Most of the PC's that we had in service in 1999 are now too old and slow to even think about loading XP on. Most do not have USB let alone Firewire and USB capabilities.

As I said before use what you like best, I have become partial to my Mac. I use Windows at work because I have to, I use my Mac at home because I want to.

As far as spyware goes, I have seen even the most up to date patched Windows machines allow a drive by install of software from the internet. My Mac requires a password before it will allow any software to install itself, even though my account is an Administrator account it still requires authentication before it will allow an install. I know that you stop this on a Windows machine by limiting the user accounts, but in the environment we are in at work all of the users must be Administrators because of the legacy coded applications left over from the Windows 95 days.

Again, use what you think is best. I like my Mac, most of the guys I work with like Windows (sometimes grudgingly) and I even work with a few Linux guys.

Windows isn't all bad, it has its uses, it has some serious security flaws, like IE. I stopped using IE on my Windows machine and only use Firefox, I also use it on the Mac.

The OS debate cannot be won for either side, it is just too subjective. All you can do is make your case for one side of the other and do what works for you.


300 posted on 01/29/2005 8:46:05 PM PST by stormbringr
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