Posted on 01/06/2005 6:58:16 PM PST by dukeman
Well, the Far Left had their little play today, their chance to howl on national TV about all of the fraud and theft on November 2nd. In the end, the Senate voted 74-1 and the House 267-31 to reject the certification challenge to Ohio's electoral votes. From my viewing (and I could be wrong), only C-SPAN covered the proceedings real time.
How did today's events play with the tin-foil hatters on DU? Here's a montage of varied reactions (different threads are divided by ------):
cyberpj (463 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 01:54 PM
Original message
Even our guys say they will vote to certify - I don't get that
why not object that the electoral votes aren't valid because they don't represent all voters?
Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 01:58 PM
Response to Original message
1. Let's see what happens after the debates
Maybe we'll have a few brave women and men willing to stand up for the country.
Jimdish25 (30 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
3. Yeah, declare war then surrender before the first shot...
Makes you feel sick. They're so confused they look like fools because they are afraid to say Bush stole the election. anything short of that makes it look like a waste of time and the MSM is gonna have a field day with it.
I'm sick of this party.
Mistwell (73 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. So, who else is there?
Yes, they suck. But who else is there that is worthy of a vote?
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Lisabtrucking (224 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 01:52 PM
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Our democratic leaders except for one, are a bunch
of cowards. I can't stand it anymore. listen to them "in the senate" They didn't hear of any of the problems? Come on they don't want to hear about the problems. This just makes me mad. Why is it such an outreach belief that elections can be stolen?
Barbara Boxer should run for president in 2008 and Tubb for Vice president. They have my vote.
unpossibles (270 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:00 PM
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1. I agree.
this sucks and I am so mad. So much for not smoking. I think I am going to sue them. (haha)
tjdee (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:01 PM
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2. Plural is not apostrophe s.
Just add the s, not the apostrophe....why give yourself extra work?
I know that's boringly anal.
As for the actual topic, they haven't finished yet. There are some more Democrats who aren't idiots.
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Democrat 4 Ever (618 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:03 PM
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To quote a "real" president, Jeb Bartlett, "What's next?"
We know the election is going to be certified but we can not let these pseudo patriots think for a minute it is over. I'm tired of being thought of as a "few loonies" on the Internet, "spoilsports" or "whiners," they need to know that there are millions and millions of people who KNOW what they are doing and we aren't going away, giving up, moving one damn inch, they have a lot to answer for and NOW it is really going to get interesting.
We are organized, we have the data, we have the proof, I wanna kick some asses, so...
"What's next?"
kimpossible (76 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:07 PM
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3. One word: IMPEACHMENT!
This is the beginning of the unravelling of the chimpocracy. Now comes the time for the sharks to turn and start a feeding frenzy. He may be selected president today, but my bet is he'll be booted out within a year.
GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Probably not going to be outsed w/ impeachment since the GOP owns
the Hill.
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xultar (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:01 PM
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OK so Democrats are KOOKS, we can't let it go, Michael Moore has
schtooped us all, we are sore losers, John Kerry is a great guy cuz he admitted he got beat.
I just wanna tell you this will be our net gain for today from the MSM.
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OKthatsIT (302 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:01 PM
Original message
Why arent they talking about the tabulators, touchscreens?
that did effect the votes
flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:03 PM
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1. Because they are ****ing technologically clueless! And naive, to boot!
aquart (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:07 PM
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2. Because then they would have to say FRAUD.
Because then they would have to admit this election was stolen just like 2000.
They aren't TOUCHING the machines.
OKthatsIT (302 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. SHe is right now dearie
hmmm?
leftchick (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. bingo!
heaven forbid a Dem. would use the F word!
iconoclastNYC (101 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:11 PM
Response to Original message
6. The only hope is reform, and they are working for that
They can't make the need for reform seem like its some loony-left conspiracy. BOOWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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susanb8888 (28 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:00 PM
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Staying together on message: "we're not contesting the outcome"
One thing many have said that repugs do much better than dems is to parrot the party line in unison. Now the dems are doing great with this message: we believe Bush won, and we're not trying to change that.
It's too bad THIS is the issue they chose to get unified on!!
Warpy (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. They're voting for disenfranchisement
It's all over. The only one who deserves reelection is Barbara Boxer. The rest should be thrown out of office. They're worse than useless. They're anti American.
Blue State Native (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. I agree.
LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. I'm replying to this message to remind me to put you on ignore.
Right now, it's not working, so I'll have to look up my posts later and go through who gets knocked off the block.
susanb8888 (28 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. I hope you're wrong
I'm trying DESPERATELY to believe that there's a more strategic, long-term reason these experienced, supposedly wise leaders are caving in so easily. If there isn't, and they are merely acting out of self-interest and against what is right, then I really would have to leave this country...
elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:03 PM
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2. THANK YOU. What a load of crap. They sound like abused wives.
That's the mentality. Pleading.
Jimdish25 (30 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:04 PM
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5. It's like giving a class on how to be a loser..
Thank you sir may I have another. Repubs won the debate when they conceded the election and now the certification. They are resolute and we are in retreat - except for Conyers. It's time to change horses, but where's the horse?
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jazzjunkysue (89 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:05 PM
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Yes!!!! I have one thing to say to the doubters: Oh, ye of little faith.
We ruined their party today and hurt their feelings.
Barbara Boxer for President!
Ah'm, celebratin'!!!!!!
Wooo Hoooooo!!!!!!!!
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kuozzman (629 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:18 PM
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I thought they were going to have a 2 hr. debate-what is this?
I am thrilled that we got here, but this is certainly not a debate and not even very constructive. It seems doubtful that even one problem that occurred in Ohio will even be addressed? It seems like, other than those directly involved with the challenge, everyone is just reading something that an aide handed to them when they walked in. [What a dope1]
bowens43 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:20 PM
Response to Original message
1. This is about getting the issue into the MSM.
No one could have realistically expected anything else from this.
Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Apparently the MSM thinks Andrea Yates is more important.
Imalittleteapot (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:20 PM
Response to Original message
2. There aren't any debates in
the Senate or House anymore...Hasn't happened in 4 years.
forgethell (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:20 PM
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3. Given the massive
amount of information that has to be given and digested to show fraud, what do you expect to be accomplished in 5 minutes??
DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:23 PM
Response to Original message
5. This is how the process works
the best part is all of their statements and all of the evidence being presented is now in the public record.
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darkism (255 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:23 PM
Original message
There is MORE TO THIS THAN JUST THE LINES [long lines at polling places]
GET TO THE REAL FRAUD, DEMS!
COME OUT AND SAY IT: BUSH LOST!
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Stop Shrub (169 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:25 PM
Original message
OK Kerry f*** us Accept it and stop defending the coward
His statements are the main argument for repukes, there is no debate it is just a quoting session of of his concession
(1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. You're missing the point.
No one's saying the election will be overturned. You're buying right into the Rethug's plan by listening to them and NOT the Democrats (which you are CLEARLY not doing).
robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Why not overturn it? How much fraud is acceptable?
Right now, W doesn't have enough votes to win without Ohio - if they don't vote this down they are merely flapping their lips.
Vash the Stampede (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Because IT WILL NOT HAPPEN
If it COULD have happened, trust me, it would have.
Stop Shrub (169 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:30 PM
Response to Original message7. i supported him until this minute
but he wasn't willing to stand and fight with us, he is concerened with his own political career and it is used agaisnt our fight.,p>
cags (243 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Same here, I gave him the benefit of all the doubts here until today.
We picked the wrong man to represent us
emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. Petty attacks on John Kerry don't impress me
seito (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
9. I find your post highly offensive
It seems to be little more than flame baitpbartch (589 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
10. I dislike your post
and I can't stand the way you worded it.
Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:33 PM
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13. Oooooh, you're a brave one, you are. If only other Democrats could
be as eloquent and persuasive as you, the stars would be within our reach.
clydefrand (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:53 PM
Response to Original message
23. I suggest that you are the coward in this thread. You seem
to not want anyone to know anything about you other than your hostility against someone that I doubt you could hold a candle to. You need to get a life other than causing trouble here.
BTW, this is my first negative post against another poster since I joined this group. And you can see how many posts I've got when you like at my profile! I don't hide it like you do.
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saracat (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:30 PM
Original message
F*** Obama. He took the strongest stand yet.Says Bush won and got more votes
He is the whore I said he was. Sorry. He went over the top in support of Bush. Follows with voter irregularities .Big Deal.
newsguyatl (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:33 PM
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1. obama will turn out to be another disappointment,p>
like hillary clinton...
he's out to make a name for himself, and he'll go moderate to right to accomplish his lofty goals.
don't expect much from him.
AP (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Give me a break.
This is one of the most self-destructive qualities of liberals. Rigorous litmus tests and no appreciation for smart strategy.
Rockerdem (225 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. I'm speechless.
Did he have to say that? He cut us off at our knees. No amount of explanation will wipe away that soundbite that will be repeated over and over.
Beginning to question his political ear.
Kilkenny5 (60 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #1
73. WILL YOU STOP KNOCKING OBAMA!!!!
Please!
He just got there! You haven't give him a chance.
If you were expecting RFK, Maxine Waters, and Paul Wellstone put together you are terribly mistaken.
When he was in the state senate he had to work with those across the aisle, even conservative Republicans.
No wonder we cannot come together. We're too busy tearing each other apart.
Vash the Stampede (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. DU has its fanatics too. [Too? Hahahahaha1]
Just like anyone else. And there's no talking reason, sense, or pragmatism into them.
jswordy (163 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #13
31. Heh...great point!
Can I add that I am anxiously awaiting SEN. JOHN KERRY'S speech about the vote irregularities!
Ooooops! Pardon me, I forgot! Kerry sees he can't win, so he won't be making a speech...or even joining the effort.
But don't worry, these kinds of matters don't show anything fundamentally wrong with our party, our candidates or our candidate selection processes.
Let's all plug our ears now! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
ROFLMAO
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RaulVB (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:34 PM
Original message
Could some of you, please, STOP ****ING COMPLAINING???
This is damn history passing by!
Fraud took place, WE KNOW IT AND NOW THEY KNOW WE KNOW!
If we keep fighting this regime is going down.
Those Senators and representatives DID NOT HAVE TO DO CRAP TODAY!
You get it or you don't?
ClarkUSA (137 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:36 PM
Response to Original message
1. Muchos gracias, Raul...
Vash the Stampede (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
2. Most of these people are freepers.
Don't bite. Just alert.
hang a left (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:40 PM
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9. I'll bitch if I want to and...
I'll do it right on your thread. I have been around here long enough to recognise bull**** going on in the Senate.
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andino (519 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:42 PM
Original message
Senate voting
proud2Blib (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. So how many senators spoke up
against fraud?
Democracy Died (13 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:43 PM
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3. I want to see 75-25 victory for the Dems!
Pachamama (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:43 PM
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4. Why are so many Senators absent? ,p>
Why aren't they there?
Where the f*** are they?
Clinton, Byrd, Bingaman...etc. no one is there....
Vadem (930 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:48 PM
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8. Boxer only one, so far, voting to decertify!
troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:50 PM
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9. ONLY Boxer voted to decertify. Only one.
troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:51 PM
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10. NO other Dems voted with Boxer.
KaryninMiami (370 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:51 PM
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11. So far, we have only one- Senator Boxer
What would have been the harm in supporting the truth? Why didn't more stand up? What are they afraid of?
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dave123williams (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:44 PM
Original message
Looks like they're voting it down; profiles in courage, indeed.
jackster (142 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. well of course
what did you expect - the rethugs would never let this pass
BUT WE WERE HEARD
WE STOOD UP
Okay - we still need to let our leaders know that we were watching and will continue to
we can vote them out if they don't stand up for us
MyPetRock (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. I expected our Democratic leaders to do the right thing, not just spin
I know that is just too much to ask.
LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:51 PM
Response to Original message
6. Yep, lots of mealy-mouthed
platitudes about how we must "take a look at" the issue of election reform coupled with statements that the chimp clearly won the election. Who the hell represents the disenfranchised, defrauded voters? Where's the outrage?
TornadoTN (16 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Agreed to a point
I just dont know how to feel about this, on one hand Im happy that something was done, but another part of me says that this was done just to placate the masses of Dems who are upset or disenfranchised, keeping them happy and in the camp till the next election.
Im glad this is getting out, but with the MSM and the GOP controlling the entire government, I just dont think that anything of substence will come of this and we will be back here again in another 2 and 4 years, respectively. [Shhhhh! You'll wake the others.]
Firenze777 (4 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. A dud in my opinion
No average citizen watching this would be persuaded in the least....I am not discounting the passion and hard work by the Black Caucus or Boxer's courage, but what was needed were blown up pictures of the brothers running ES&S and Diebolt, or those charts showing the difference of exit polls and 'adjusted' polls, or any verbal presentation approaching the energy and clarity that Randi Rhondes demonstrates regarding the fraud that took place. Democracy and Civil Rights were mortally wounded today.
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Alizaryn (532 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:49 PM
Original message
It was such a good decision for to be Kerry out of the country
They would have had him to point at. As it was they had to point at a ghost.
nosmokes (683 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:59 PM
Response to Original message
1. reassures me i made the right choice going green.
i don't regret working my ass trying to get kerry elected, but i did expect better from him.
but there is no democratic party left that i can see. if there is, it's ailing, and it needs a backbone.
cyberpj (463 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:00 PM
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3. he left behind enough quotes for them to use anyway
michigander3 (44 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 04:51 PM,br> Response to Original message
16. Kerry
He knows he won. That's why it is so sad he wouldn't invest himself.
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:51 PM
Original message
Sorry, but this is an empty exercise. It only brings home the fact that ..
... the rethugs got away with it again. Yes, it's great that there was a debate, and that congresscritters got to talk about disenfranchisement and so forth, but all it's doing for me is driving home the point that the Rethugs totally stole this election again, and our elected representatives are helping them do it.
I'm turning off the TV. I can't listen to any more of this.
dave123williams (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:51 PM
Response to Original message
1. It puts them on record; on the wrong side of history.
Boxer has some cajones, I think.
Harry S Truman (65 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. U.S.A.!
Ultimately Screwed Again!
gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. We've been objecting to voting problems for FOUR FREAKING YEARS.
And barely one goddamned thing has been done. I have NO CONFIDENCE -- absoltely NONE -- that anyone is really going to do anything about this -- no matter what they said in that chamber today.
The Pukes have all the power. They're not going to do a damned thing, and they really don't care how they look to us.
I'm not going to stop fighting, of course. I'll write letters to whomever I think can do some good (my senators are Santorum and Specter, so I think I won't waste printer paper on them) -- but I have absolutely NO CONFIDENCE in the Congress to do one damned thing. And I have NO CONFIDENCE in the right-wing (that is to say mainstream) media to encourage them to do one damned thing.
But right now, I feel like crawling into a hole. Making myself as stupid as all the people who went to the polls believing that Saddam and the Iraqi insurgents caused 9/11. Watching "Who's Your Daddy" instead of C-Span. I won't do it, but I FEEL like doing it after today.
Jed Bartlett is my president. Someone intelligent, complex, human and moral ... and COMPLETELY FICTIONAL! [Hooo-weeee! Increase the dosage]
liberal43110 (49 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:16 PM
Response to Original message
17. No, This is Wonderful
This is not an empty exercise; this is forcing the issue to be discussed...in public, in the open. Of course it won't change the plans for the inauguration in a couple weeks. That was never the goal. This isn't about Kerry. This is about democracy.
gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Discussed. In public. In the open. With no media even touching the story.
If a tree falls in the forest and the media aren't there to let the American people hear it ...?
Mark my words ... in 2008, voting problems will be even worse. The Pukes in power will have forestalled any reform whatsoever ... and they can do it. They. Are. In. Power. They don't have to do ANYTHING if they don't wanna. They are smug and self-righteous, and they don't believe for a minute that the voters are going to punish them for not doing anything.
Because as long as they support marriage between a man and a woman only, the voters will keep trooping to the polls and voting them back in. On defective machines.
I will be glad to eat my words .... THRILLED to eat my words if anything gets done on this issue. You can say "I told you so" over and over, and I'll take it like a woman.
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Paligal (159 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:52 PM
Original message
Tell me why I should keep fighting. SO DEPRESSED.
Not that we here on DU didn't already know this, but having watched this evolve since election day, and seeing it culminate in this "just for show" debate which is covered NOWHERE in the mainstream media and will be ignored and dismissed after it takes place, I am so depressed about the system. What's the F'ing point of us all putting our heart and energy into fighting this? There is a complete control of power here, and we have none of it. I watch these guys, one after the other, say "sour grapes", "move on", "wild-eyed conspiracy theorists", and know that we won't get taken seriously. Our government has experienced a coup, and nobody cares but us in the minority, and they will not relenquish power. There will be no changes. There will be no reform. I feel it. These a**holes speaking now on the republican side invoke terrorism and "attacking the noble Americans who volunteered to work on this election". They make it seem like we are attacking Americans and encouraging terrorists, and as long as people continue to respond like sheep to these keywords, and our Democratic representatives don't retort with specifics to dismiss that those are the issues we are debating, we stand no chance. I can't watch it. I can't after today. My blood pressure will go through the roof.
Do any of you still believe we have the power to change this corrupt government? Tell me, why should I keep actively fighting? I am only getting enraged and depressed over the response to all our efforts. At this moment, I hear some b*tch state "The American people must be shaking their heads at this debate" and "these allegations are without merit". They keep repeating over and over that Bush won by 3 million votes, and that's why 100,000 don't matter. NOBODY questions whether Bush's margin is even true. They say that Bush couldn't have pulled off a massive fraud, as though we were claiming that the man himself was solely responsible, rather than a whole network of people, and probably without his involvement. I want to reach through the TV and smack these people. So, I will remove myself for at least a while after today. I can't take it. It's too personally upsetting. How do you all feel, as my only sense of community on this issue?
T.S. Eliot best expresses my feelings: "This is how the world ends; not with a bang, but with a whimper"
Grief stages: 1. Dehial; 2. Bargaining; 3. Anger; 4. Despair; 5. Acceptance.
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ClarkUSA (138 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:56 PM
Original message
Pelosi Needs to Lose Her House Leader status: she voted NAY [i.e., against the objection to Ohio votes]
WTF -- she's from San Francisco, where everyone thinks the election was stolen.
NVMojo (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:57 PM
Original message
I agree ...she was sickening to watch this morning.
I called a local Dem Party about her this morning and she said, "you gotta remember, there are alotta elected Dems who get richer under Republican control."
iconoclastNYC (101 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
1. Pick your battles
This isn't about getting Bush overturned........it is drawing attention to the fraud issue....mission accomplished.
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pbartch (589 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:01 PM
Original message
Obama, Hillary, Lieberman and Kennedy just voted NO
what is wrong with these people?
dave123williams (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. It's a political non-starter for them; they don't see a 'win' in it.
incapsulated (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:02 PM
Response to Original message
2. **** you, Hillary
I knew I couldn't believe my ears when I heard MY SENATOR would stand.
What the **** was up with that false list??
incapsulated (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #2
23. I take that back, too
None of them stood with Boxer, it's obvious this was the "plan".
The list of Senators that came out before this got a lot of us confused, here.
I'm still confused about that, honestly.
plan9_pub (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:03 PM
Response to Original message
6. We will lose as long as we keep
electing people like this.
We lost this race the day the DLC shoved Kerry on us. [Uh-oh! One of them is starting to see through the haze. Turn up the raybeam intensity!]
SW FL Dem (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:03 PM
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8. Shumer too.
This totally sucks. I am done with the DNC.
Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:04 PM
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9. so confused
Why the **** did they even stand and speak? I am so ashamed of these people right now!
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scottxyz (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:48 PM
Original message
What about evidence?
I realize that it would have been unreasonable for Congress to overturn the election today. I wasn't expecting that.
But what I WAS expecting was more evidence. I thought maybe the Dems were in waiting, ready to spring lots of evidence of vote fraud in Ohio.
Instead, I heard lots of mention of "standing in line in the rain for hours." Not very convincing - as we realize that Repub voters stood in the same lines.
I heard the name Cuyahoga a few times. I also heard Dems mention (about twice) a county "where there were more votes than voters" - but that county was never named.
I would have used my five minutes to list evidence of vote fraud - instead of calling for electoral reform.
Think of the viewers who might not have heard about any of this yet. You talk about electoral reform - and the viewers don't know why. You list cases of vote fraud - and people will pay attention.
That's what I would have used this historic forum for.
BayouBengal07 (430 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:50 PM
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1. Yeah me too
I wanted to see graphs and maps of counties and voter districts on C-Span. Don't they always bring up eisels and maps and s***? [Moron!]
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:03 PM
Original message
It's a good thing they are voting no!
It solidifies the issue they were bringing to the forefront, voting rights!
Boxer had to vote yes as she brought the objection. If all other Democrats vote No, it solidifies the base of what the objection was all about.
Again, a brilliant move!
tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:06 PM
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5. I agree Walt. It makes the issue about electoral reform....
not Bush v. Kerry.
,b>bones_7672 (558 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:08 PM
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11. Oh yeah, with a whopping TWO votes we're really building momentum
for voting reform! WOOOHOOO! (sarcasm off now)
righteous1 (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:11 PM
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18. Now it's one
MindPilot (415 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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15. OK, I've about had it with this rope-a-dope crap
every time a democrat alienates their constituancy, someone declares it a brillant political move. Let's call it what it is: They don't represent us, they reprsent the corporations and big money, and they are just saying **** you to the rank and file dems.
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 04:11 PM
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74-1??? Democracy died today.
Film at 13:00 tonight.
BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 04:13 PM
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1. I am so sick to my stomach that I cannot even put it into words.
What a bunch of ***king cowards........
blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 04:15 PM
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2. God help us, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
I watched the C-Span presentation of the morons and it was hilarious. The Democrat Party is sinking faster every day. Can anyone tell me how the Jesse Jackson rally held in Washington, DC went today? Looked like it was spaesely attended, but I cna't find anythiong on it. I suspect it was a big failure. Dems and CBC had a realy bad day today. Looks the Dems and CBC will be in the widerness for a long, long time!!!
They need to get out of Dick Cheney's house.
One of the threads I found at DU focused on Cheney's reacton to the whole procedure today. The DUers were upset that he stayed cool as a cucumber and seemed bored by the whole freak show. They didn't get their meltdown. So sad!
I can't imagine how somebody who considers a TV actor, a real President also becomes a successful contributor to society. My son can pick his nose deeper than this moron can think.
(This is not the advice that I give to my friends, btw.)
My guess is, he won't get much, then.
These people really do live in a world where fantasy has replaced reality.
I watched the C-Span presentation of the morons and it was hilarious. The Democrat Party is sinking faster every day. Can anyone tell me how the Jesse Jackson rally held in Washington, DC went today? Looked like it was spaesely attended, but I cna't find anythiong on it. I suspect it was a big failure. Dems and CBC had a realy bad day today. Looks the Dems and CBC will be in the widerness for a long, long time!!!
The best place for them, see ya, dem stupidos. They really made fools of themselves today, do it again tomorow. Go hitlary go, and the boxer dog as well!
I sometimes stop and question whether I should enjoy so much the spectacle of other human beings falling into a mental abyss. It's like rubber-necking as you drive past an accident scene. Kinda ghoulish. But....then I snap out of it and laugh my ass off. BOOWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
More DU delusions for you.
Hehehehehehe!
Hmmm. I see "Packamama" on this DUmmie condensation, one of my favorite DUmmies, but I was hoping to see "William Pitt," "Faye," and "Shortbus" too.
It's interesting, over time, to discern the personalities of the individual posters in DUmmieland. If I were into psychology, I'd make it my Ph.D. thesis, an analysis of them.
I thought Barbara Boxer was perfect...as a representative of
the Democratic party with nothing more than futile gestures
and whiney questions. Not one Senatorial thought left her lips...just the mewling of a wimp party.
"THE LEFT WING"
They are one bunch of very sore losers.
What amazes me is how many people can diagree with their viewpoint, just about all of the congress, and they still don't think maybe there is something wrong with their concept? Maybe their data set is bad?
Nope, it's always them...the other guy who's wrong.
Amazing.
Ummmm...do you have the name and number of the woman who posted this? I'd like to take that bet.
Pachamama (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:08 PM
Byrd voted NO??? Democracy is officially dead folks....
Rest in NO Peace....
I'm going to switch parties later today at the City Hall...
I'm not a Democrat after today...,p> I'll support Barbara Boxer and My Representative Lynn Woolsey because they are great leaders, patriots and Americans....
I will no longer call myself a Democrat after today....The fact that Robert Byrd couldn't even vote yes, is all I needed to know...
BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:19 PM
2. I meant to warn you not to get your hopes up too high.
You can't expect spineless jellyfish to become sharks overnight. Today was a step in the right direction.
What's really sad is that they must have known that only a small cadre of Democrats would be watching their every move, because only C-SPAN would be covering it. This won't be mentioned at great length on tonight's news shows or in tomorrow's papers. As far as the media go, this was not great history, or even great drama. This was as some here have said a "waste of time." So it seems to me we should feel some gratitude for the organization that permitted this to take place. I'd like to know if there was serious pressure on Boxer not to do what she did, or if there was an agreement of some kind that this had to be done.
notsodumbhillbilly (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:21 PM
4. Indeed, it died today
Fool me once (2001), shame on you; fool me twice (2005), shame on me.
DemGirl7 (114 posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:34 PM
8. Got a question...
Should I burn my copy of his "Losing America" with I got for Christmas?? I'm VERY Angry right now...and I need vent my extreme anger for the democrats somehow...
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