[InvisibleChurch]

i guess maybe i'll start cheering for Ruth since he slutted around all the time and got loaded every day and smoked tobacco ... wow, what an inspiration

he's not unlike billxxxlinton who got the good write-ups from a fawning press

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Won't dispute what you say about Ruth...but he came by his records honestly.

Ballplayers shouldn't be idolized anyway.

[rcocean]

I think the Babe has gotten a bad rap. Once he got past 30, married and with a kid, he wasn't the wild man he's painted.

Also, even in his younger days, the Babe drank, smoked cigars, and enjoyed the ladies - but he was not getting drunk every night and if you look at him, say prior to 1930, he was not a big bellied slob.

He never lifted a weight or jogged, but after his injury in the mid 20's he did go to the Gym and work out in the off-season. Of course, by our standards it wasn't much and was very unscientific.