No, I said in the pit, the center and some of the items were ten feet below the surface in pockets.
GovernmentShrinker wrote: Maybe some lucky coincidence could have blown a recorder clear of the fire within the first seconds, but these guys are claiming they found THREE recorders, so that would have been at least one from each of the planes (since 2 boxes per plane). What are the chances that 1) lucky coincidences caused one or more boxes from BOTH planes to be blown clear of the fires and spared totally disfiguring damage, and 2) the same pair of firefighters found 3 of the total 4 boxes, despite their coming from two different planes that hit two different towers that collapsed at different times (I certainly don't have to tell you how big that pit was, or how many workers were combing through it), and 3) all of the "several" other rescue workers they showed them too decided to hush up when the feds asked them to. I just don't buy it.
I don't believe them either, and for what it's worth I saw no ATVs anywhere near GZ and it would have been impossible to take one into the rubble while I was there. It took me ten minutes of careful stepping/crawling along a narrow "safeway" just to reach the pit.
You saw barely damaged items in the pit that you could trace to the impact floors? And you can be sure that they didn't blow out the windows of those floors at the time of the explosion, and end up in the pit later, after the towers collapsed?