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Archaeology Odyssey had that article about the so-called Tartessians, who were nothing but Celtiberians, as is obvious from the art and architecture they left behind. This "Tartessian" sanctuary does not long predate the Phoenician influences at the site.

There's no evidence that a) Tartessos was the Phoenician term for Spain, or b) that Herodotus' tale refers to a town in Spain. In fact, the reference to the "marvellous walls" immediately brought those (much later) New World walls made of stones, laid dry, with cracks that remain too tight to insert a blade.

Not surprisingly, the surviving version of the Periplus of Hanno doesn't mention Tartessos.

Also not surprisingly, the authors of the above piece note that no remains or even traces of the supposed city have been found in places where they are believed to be, such as the Guadalquivir valley. Nor have any remains of Phoenician settlements in the western Mediterranean earlier than the late 9th century BC ever been found.

Phoenician pottery of a later time has however been found in sites on the Atlantic coast of Africa (Mogador for example), and the Periplus of Hanno refers to gorillas and to an erupting Mount Cameroon.

In fact, the term we use for that animal -- which was rediscovered in the 19th century -- was taken from the Periplus of Hanno as it was recognized from the description.

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1 posted on 12/11/2004 9:20:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 12/11/2004 9:28:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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3 posted on 12/11/2004 9:32:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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4 posted on 12/11/2004 9:33:44 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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5 posted on 12/11/2004 9:35:27 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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oops, a typo:

"In fact, the reference to the 'marvellous walls' immediately brought those (much later) New World walls made of stones, laid dry, with cracks that remain too tight to insert a blade."

s/b

"In fact, the reference to the 'marvellous walls' immediately brought to mind those (much later) New World walls made of stones, laid dry, with cracks that remain too tight to insert a blade."


6 posted on 12/11/2004 9:39:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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That quote about blocks of stone laid so tightly in walls that you can't insert a knife blade evidently struck a chord. You hear present day archeologists say that from time to time at sites in Greece.


7 posted on 12/12/2004 2:47:57 AM PST by hershey
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10 posted on 05/11/2007 5:38:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 10, 2007.)
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11 posted on 08/30/2008 1:12:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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When you read this stuff it becomes apparent that a whole lot of very basic things changed fundamentally in the first millennium BC —that set it off from the second third fourth and fifth millenniums.

That is the first millennium BC is the dawn of time/civilization as we know it.


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