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To: FederalistVet
Science, therefore, presupposes "order" or "intelligent design" as the creationists call it.

A windless lake with no waves is a perfect mirror, and very "ordered". You can say that the lake, following God's Intellegent Design for liquids to follow gravity to the lowest point explains this order.

The same can be said for Evolution, which I believe is a fundimental creation no different than Gravity. You can say that God created this process of Evolution, and it follows the order in His Intellegent Design theory.

But the existence of order in Gravity and Evolution does not prove the existence of God any more than it proves the existence of Zeus. That's why they call it "faith". You must believe in Him based solely on His word. He gives no "proof".

If it makes you uncomfortable that the "science" of the creation of the world does not prove the existence of God, then that's the point I've been trying to make in these threads. It is a serious mistake for believers to use "science" in an attempt to prove God's existence. Because for some people, it might "prove" the opposite.

Since the words of Genesis are few, and the word of God very hard for mere humans to comprehend, it is better to say that Genesis and Evolution are not mutually exclusive. And believers should just let it go at that and stop the fighting.

160 posted on 12/06/2004 5:07:55 PM PST by narby
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To: narby
God's existence is said to be self-evident in itself even though it is not self-evident to all. It is the defect in human reason that makes it not self-evident to some people.
There are two kinds of theology. Natural Theology which tends to be an area of Philosophy and Supernatural Theology, or revelation. God is known thru faith and reason.
Non-Christian Philosophers have come to the knowledge that an unmoved mover exists and that only one God can exist. In "Metaphysics" Aristotle came to that conclusion.
The Natural Sciences are lower sciences and the Philosopher is the judge of the claims of the lower sciences. It is the Philosopher's role to continuously analyze the lower sciences to keep them from misleading society. While the lower sciences tend to limit themselves to the empirical evidence available to them, the Philosophical science is not limited to empirical evidence.
Philosophers do use the available empirical evidence, but transcend the empirical evidence.
Evolution is a religious belief that has been imposed upon our society and professors are often afraid to oppose it out of fear of the abuse they see others endure for rejecting it. Evolution is a religious dogma; nothing more nothing less. All the evidence; historical, political, theological, and scientific; shows it is a religious dogma.
While they were whittling away at the rights of Catholics, the bigots were forcing their new dogma, evolution, down our throats, too.
162 posted on 12/06/2004 7:36:23 PM PST by FederalistVet
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