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To: GSlob
The thing to blame Russians for is the low quality of their civilizational model which they repeatedly built for themselves over the last 1000 years. When they attempted to spread that model, except to even deeper barbarians, the blame intensifies.

You need to measure them by their starting point. The craddle of their nation was the most remote corner of Europe with harsh cold climate which was overrun, looted and burned every few generations by the hordes of savage nomads from Huns and earlier to Genghis Khan. Their technology was primitive, tribal, they did not have much of civilization. Still they had the spark of genius to lift them up.

In these conditions they managed to survive, to build up while paying the tribute to the Mongols converting to Islam.

They defeated their overlords, colonized and turned to agricultural use vast lands in the north and managed to turn the endless lands of the central Eurasia from the center of chaos (heart of darkness) into some form of legal order.

They developed beautiful form of Christianity, imported and eagerly learned Western science and civilization (under Peter the Great and after). Then paid back West with the immortal works of art and literature.

Yes they are poorer than people in Western Europe, but they were even poorer in proportion when they started. Still the money is not everything.

They covered in 1000 years what took the Europe more than 2000 years (American did not start from zero either as they continued Western European traditions)

Who would do better in their place?

42 posted on 11/25/2004 4:51:44 PM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: A. Pole
I hate commies as much as the next guy ( killed a few in my younger days) but that political system was actually German... Marx was German and he lived in England. Hitler was German. Lord knows the Germans caused enough mess but I would sure not go so far as to describe their whole ethnic group as "barbarians" as gslob has just done to the Russian ethnic group.

This whole idea of "my ethnic identity is better than yours", really makes me sick.

People need to knock it off on this site. I am serious... they need to KNOCK IT OFF!!

THIS IS AMERICA!!

44 posted on 11/25/2004 5:12:12 PM PST by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: A. Pole
It was not enough to call in Varangians in 862; it was necessary to become Varangians (to "Varangize"), and that's where the trouble and failure has always been.
45 posted on 11/25/2004 5:17:50 PM PST by GSlob
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