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1 posted on 11/25/2004 11:35:44 AM PST by A. Pole
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2 posted on 11/25/2004 11:36:04 AM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: A. Pole

Interesting question


3 posted on 11/25/2004 11:39:35 AM PST by cake_crumb (The IQ of the average Democrat voter is slightly less than body temperature)
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because its been ukraine for awhile. no need to change it.


4 posted on 11/25/2004 11:40:43 AM PST by KOZ. (Reducing liberalism from a threat to a mere nuisance. Just like prostitution.)
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Why not into "Varyagshchina" (or "Varangiya") then? It would completely avoid even phonetic similarity with 'Rus' and a lot of associated unpleasant memories.
5 posted on 11/25/2004 11:42:47 AM PST by GSlob
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Because the Russians (Stalin) committed genocide on the Ukranian people in the 1920s and 30s, decimating the population. After cleansing the region, ethnic Russians moved in to occupy, overwhelming the few Ukranians left...


6 posted on 11/25/2004 11:45:47 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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Just don't change it to Maecedonia.


8 posted on 11/25/2004 11:54:51 AM PST by microgood
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To: A. Pole

Nice keyword someone added to your thread.


15 posted on 11/25/2004 12:37:07 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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Kievan Rus fell to Batu Khan in December 1240. It was ruled by the Golden Horde from Sarai after the conquest. Subsequently, Ukraine was ruled at different times by Poles, Krim Tartars, and eventually, the Russians. During WW I the Germans got most of it in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Western Ukraine was part of Poland until Hitler and Stalin carved Poland up in 1939. In short, I think the history is too complicated to consider Ukraine a successor to Kiev as a polity. As a culture, however, their claim is much stronger than Muscovy's.


34 posted on 11/25/2004 2:16:00 PM PST by PzLdr
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46 posted on 11/25/2004 5:25:04 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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The word Ukraine is a Russian phrase (U' Krai-yu) which means on the frontier, from the vantage point of "Greater Russia" up north.

I've always thought there were better names for Ukraine, following its independence from the USSR:

Malorus, as Kiev lies farther down the Dniepr River.

Derevni Rus (the ancient Rus)

Ukrainians seem to identify themselves (from my exp) in terms of not being Russian or Polish or Belorussian, and not being Orthodox. As Uniates that share a heritage with the Poles and Lithuanians, whose state was founded by Swedes and Greeks, it's always held my curiousity. We maybe able to propose new names if partition happens....

56 posted on 11/30/2004 2:42:02 PM PST by eagle11
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