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dark side of homeschooling
CBS | nov 18 04 | Monica Spitzer

Posted on 11/18/2004 10:44:35 AM PST by dakra

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To: LogicalMs
Nope -- no state-required standard tests. If a parent wants the info, that is different. To begin with, most standardized tests are testing government-school goop. CLP uses a 1970 version of the CAT for students using their CLE curriculum. State of Florida does not like that version because it is "too subject specific" (i.e. expects you to know facts).

Our 16-yod is a junior at a top-rated engineering school, taking some grad courses, and working on ch. eng. research project with dept chair. She got there without the help of standardized tests (well, except for SAT which was required for admission).

All those tests do is compare student to others who took the same test. They do not show what the student has learned or how well they understand it.

142 posted on 11/18/2004 1:59:23 PM PST by womanvet
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To: Darksheare
...She resembles a Holstein though.

ROFL!

I am so glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. I called .45MAN in and he had a good laugh, as well.

Poor little sweetness. I hope you don't talk about her that way in *front* of her!

:-)

143 posted on 11/18/2004 2:02:48 PM PST by dansangel (Thank you Veterans past and present!)
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To: JenB
Ever actually met one of these poor high-school homeschool kids who's pining for public school?

I homeschooled for 12-13 years (if you count the preschool year before kindergarten.) I was also involved in several groups, and helped run one for awhile, so I did meet a lot of different homeschoolers. In the interests of fair disclosure, all my children are in public school now, where they are doing well.

I have known at least seven teenagers who wanted to go to school; some wanted to go to private school and a few wanted to go to public. Most of those were able to convince their parents to send them to school.

One girl had to get a job at 16 and pay for her own tuition, because her parents objected to her going to school. Two other girls were kept home by their parents. To my knowledge neither of those girls has gone to college, moved out, or gotten a job (and they are now beyond high school graduation age.)

The person who started this thread may be a troll. So it goes. But my experience with homeschooling has led me to meet *all* kinds of families - those whose children were prodigies and excelled phenomenally at very early ages; those who were just average, and those who were really dysfunctional, and involved in some major power struggles with their kids. Just like other families, in other words.

144 posted on 11/18/2004 2:26:15 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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To: valkyrieanne

Ok, so there are a few. Most will convince their parents to send them. I am laughing at the idea of thousands and thousands of homeschool parents locking their teenagers in the attic to prevent them from going to public school.

Most of the kids I've known who want to go back to school either do so because of peer pressure (all their friends go) or because they were yanked out too late and can't readjust. I'm sure you're doing what's best for your kids but - why on earth did this girl you know have to earn tuition? She didn't want to be homeschooled, but didn't want public school either? That just seems goofy.


145 posted on 11/18/2004 2:31:23 PM PST by JenB
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To: Darksheare

Oh wow!!! That is one big kitty!

Our cats are both small, but both a bit overweight, too. They both hover around 12 pounds, but probably should be around 9-10. One is long and (should be) lean, with alot of oriental in her. The other is just kind of squat and compact. Her little belly swishes back and forth when she runs. We are switching them both to a new Purina food that is hairball control and weight management in one. They both really like it and seem to have lost a little weight.


146 posted on 11/18/2004 2:36:36 PM PST by retrokitten (Hell yeah!)
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To: LogicalMs
"Following your suggestion has the result this young person is complaining of."

The SAT and similar achievement tests are standardized, and Homeschoolers typically pass them with high scores. This is without resorting to state-mandated achievement tests from first grade to high school graduation.

I know a lot of teachers in the public system that are sick to death of teaching "to the test" instead of teaching facts and cogent concepts. Kids are getting less of an education than they deserve in many public school settings, due to the way the institution has mutated.
147 posted on 11/18/2004 2:45:34 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: JenB

I read the HH thread some, and I want to say you are a shining example of a homeschool kid:)

My two were homeschooled and are leading very successful lives. Both married now.

For the kids whose parents homeschool "correctly" as your's obviously did:), I know of no kids who want to go back to public or private schools. The thing parents need to realize, there is more too homeschooling then just school work.

Kids do need to learn socialization but it shouldn't just be with others their own age. Once the school work is done, parents need to provide something other then TV. Dare I say it, they need to fill alot of their extra time working. Not just on entertainment activities.


Becky


148 posted on 11/18/2004 2:50:52 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

No, I've known a few kids whose parents did a bang-up job and still want to go back to private school. Usually they weren't homeschooled from the beginning and miss friends, athletics, what have you. I've never known any kids getting properly home-educated who want to go to public school.

Emphasis on properly. I estimate 2-4% of homeschool parents aren't doing it right, aren't doing anything, or are just not the best role models for their kids...

I'm not too special, but thanks ;-) About... well, not average, I'm a little too conceited for that; but not particularly outstanding in the world of formerly homeschooled people.

Personally, I always used the extra time to read. Mostly fiction but we had tons of non-fiction and I worked through most of it... not a tv or nintendo kind of gal. And socialization wasn't the problem. Being home enough to qualify as "home schoolers" was!


149 posted on 11/18/2004 3:08:59 PM PST by JenB
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

I firmly believe that some children can shine in the public schools.
I also believe that some parents are MUCH better off with their children in Public Schools however, unlike you, most of them don't want to be around their kids anyway.

I homeschool because the Public Schools failed my daughter who attended K and 1st grade. I know both of yours and mine will turn out great!

(my four year old is a genius...BTW. LOL!)


150 posted on 11/18/2004 3:12:30 PM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: JoJo Gunn

ARE YOU SELLING THOSE BUMPER STICKERS????
I do so want one.


151 posted on 11/18/2004 3:14:47 PM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: netmilsmom

No, I'm not "selling" them. I just made it during the Rather deal. That's the actual size, and a lossless image type.

I also made an 800x600 wallpaper which you can find at the bottom of my Freep page. Grab 'em and pass 'em around.


152 posted on 11/18/2004 3:34:52 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: netmilsmom

I agree. I think there are a lot of factors to consider in making the decison to send your child to school or not. We do have good schools here. We live in a red state in a very red city and most of my daughter's teachers have been conservatives. If I thought for a moment that she was being intellectually, emotionally or spiritually damaged there, I would pull her out immediately.

(My daughter's school actually has a Bible study club. They meet one morning a week before school begins. I'm almost afraid to say that here because I'm afraid that some DU lurker will notify the ACLU. So don't tell anyone. :-} )

And of course your four year old is a genius! All children of conservative parents are.


153 posted on 11/18/2004 3:40:17 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (In the smiling twilight of the new political morning, the unwashed told their betters to shove it.)
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To: cinives

I missed your response to my earlier post. And you're right. I could tell by reading the information that was sent home that it probably isn't something that we really want her to do. My husband is out to sea and I excerpted some of the info and my comment was "Gag me with the UN Charter". I didn't know at the time that the UN had anything to do with it. I could just tell by the wording of it. He got a good laugh out of it.

She can always take the Advanced Placement courses that are offered and I think that will be more beneficial to her anyway.

Thank you for the information. It confirmed what I already suspected.


154 posted on 11/18/2004 3:49:10 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (In the smiling twilight of the new political morning, the unwashed told their betters to shove it.)
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To: JoJo Gunn

You're a doll!


155 posted on 11/18/2004 3:52:08 PM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife

>>My daughter's school actually has a *xxxxx* study club. <<

Wow! Mums the word with me!

I do know people that are militant homeschoolers, but I'm just a mom that wants the best for her kids. With MI schools ranking 43rd in the US, and Gifted and Talented classes starting in the third grade, my daughter was drowning. She began to get detentions because she didn't finish her work in class. It was boring, she began to daydream and was gone from there. BUT she got freetime to play! Duh.

We live in a better area for Homeschooling than school. We are right near Selfridge ANG and most of the military families homeschool. Lots of loving God and loving America in our homeschool groups. I'm not sure I would ever go back!


156 posted on 11/18/2004 3:57:58 PM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: Moose4

Hey Moose, are those my shoes??


157 posted on 11/18/2004 4:37:34 PM PST by sarasota
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To: dakra
ZOT!

This one sounds feral...


158 posted on 11/18/2004 4:43:56 PM PST by SquirrelKing ("I have to march because my mother couldn't have an abortion." - Maxine Waters (D-California)
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To: netmilsmom

It definitely sounds like you did the right thing for your daughter and I have a lot of respect for you for doing it. And it sounds like your daughter is doing great now. Of course, she is a genious, so how could she avoid it? :-)


159 posted on 11/18/2004 4:54:33 PM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (In the smiling twilight of the new political morning, the unwashed told their betters to shove it.)
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To: dakra

If this is from Dan Rathers, then I smell a rat.


160 posted on 11/18/2004 6:37:39 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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