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To: Michael81Dus

.Today in America we celebrate the holiday of Veteran's Day. I am sure that I am not only American who might find your opinion offensive. But having some experience with you I now recognize it for what it is: ignorance. Ignorance that springs from allowing emotion to confront an irrefutable truth. Case in point: "America no longer produces the most dominant athletes in the world because, while the still dominate the Olympics, they most recently dominated them slightly less than they had in the past.

The Normandy Invasion was what put the Germans on the defensive in WWII. Period. Confirm this information in any history book. And the German soldiers were effective at killing in the same sense that the Iraqis are effective today: They were fighting a retreating guerilla war. It is much easier to kill the enemy when he has to come looking for you. That fact alone was the reason German casualties were so high at Stalingrad. Russian weapons technology was a joke. I always thought that the idea that German history books on WWII were heavily censored was a myth.

America is certainly made up of individuals, but since America consistenly produces the finest examples of humanity, it is logical to extrapolate that America is the best at producing the best.


62 posted on 11/11/2004 11:26:13 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

So you claim that "finest examples of humanity" can not come from other countries, since those are "produced" in America? Is there a factory for that? And what´s with all those great examples who immigrated to the US? Those were surely "produced" somewhere else.

Call me ignorant, however, for me, your stance is arrogant.

I´m not sure whether the history books must confirm your thesis of the best nation, but if so, it explains your lack of knowledge. The truth about WW2 is, that the German army was on retreat since January 1943 in the East. It was not the weapons technology of the Soviets, it was the huge amounts of amunition and number of soldiers who outnumbered the Germans. That´s also the reason why the Red Army had so many casualties: they were not effective, but they were many!

Oh, and off topic: I wouldn´t call the Iraqi terrorists effective.


75 posted on 11/11/2004 12:06:32 PM PST by Michael81Dus (... and they call us arrogant!!)
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To: presidio9

I am sorry, but regarding WW2 you are simply wrong. Germany was on the defensive LONG time before Normandy ´44. It was not Stalingrad or El Alamein that broke the German army, it was Kursk in ´43, where the German army was finally put into the defense. Calling the defense of ´44 a "retreating guerilla war" is nonsense, sorry to put it that clearly. Surely the US did not "kick Germany´s ass", as the other joker put it. IIRC there is a study that said that Germany imposed a casualty rate of 1.2 or 1.4 US/UK losses for every lost German, and something like 3.0 on the Russians. I can of course come up with the source (American historians) if needed. The German army of 1944 was bascially a beaten one.

"Russian weapons technology was a joke."
Care to elaborate?

"America is certainly made up of individuals, but since America consistenly produces the finest examples of humanity, it is logical to extrapolate that America is the best at producing the best."
This is nationalist bs.

You are right regarding the Olympics though.


84 posted on 11/14/2004 10:11:48 AM PST by GermanEnglishHistorian
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