Reality Check-Vanity

[del griffith]

Let me ask a question. It's loaded.

If Al Gore had won in 2000 and had executed his administration exactly as President Bush has with the exact same results, exact same actions, exact same bills signed, exact same actions, bills and speeches given, the exact same situation in Iraq and the WOT....everything exactly the same as has been done to this point by President Bush, would your support for Al Gore be as strong and would you find fault in Gore what you see as success in President Bush?

Please, not Gore wouldn't have done this or Gore wouldn't have supported that. Everything under Gore would have identically mirrored the actions and results that we've experienced under President Bush. Would you be fighting for Al Gore's re-election citing the same accomplishments as you will President Bush?

[RC51]

I would still hold Gore at fault because he was part of the previous administration (Clinton) that ignored terrorists and caused 9/11. He would also have been part of the previous administration that caused the recession.

The BEST thing to ever happen to Clinton was GORE losing. It was the only way that the left has avoiding having to own up to the mistakes of their weak positions on defense and risky-misguided economic policies.

If GORE was the president right now the main campain issue would be how it was his fault for 9/11 and the recession. Both issues fail the test when talking about Bush, but would apply to GORE if he had won.

[Blzbba]

"He's also an abortionist pig. Can't put lipstick on that"

Actually you can....but it's still a pig! :)

[Blzbba]

"the Gore administration would still have its
finger in the air in order to govern by the polls. "


No, they would've just shot some cruise missiles up camel's asses, like Clintax did.

[stuartcr]

It's not the man himself, but what has been done...that I have a problem with, along with a few in the administration....

[Fletcher J]

I'm not sure this question makes sense to me.

If Al Gore's thoughts, actions, decisions, leadership, integrity, etc., were identical to Bush, then the only thing different would be the name.

So, if Gore=Bush, then I would support Gore (just another name for Bush, right?) for re-election.

I don't think we have to worry about Gore acting like Bush, though. Gore has come unhinged since 2000. He spends his days ranting about Bush's "incompetence", and nights whinning about Bush's every decision.

Fletcher J

[ocean]

If pigs took to the air and Algore actually passed the current tax cuts I would've criticized them as being too small (as they were, thanks to the dems). If Gore had it in him to respond to 9/11 the way Bush did I would've been very relived. If gore passed CFR I would've cursed him as an anti-constitution traitor. Same with NCLB and the Medicare entitlements.

In reality Bush is the Democrat running in this election and Kerry is the Socialist, regardless of what they've labeled themselves There is no major anti big govt party anymore.

Bush is a JFK democrat. Kerry a Chirac socialist.
I'm voting for Bush, as a vote for Kerry is a vote for the U.N.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

The owner of this web site has stated flat out that we are NOT about campaigning against George W. Bush.

Wow...you came out pretty fast for this one. Not bad for the queen brownshirt. I'm pretty sure that if Jim or the admins objected to the thread, then Jim or the admins would have it pulled. Boy, anything that even remotely crosses the line of your groupthink really bugs you don't it?

*rolls eyes*

[Howlin]

That's so funny -- YOU calling ME a brownshirt.

[Howlin]

The BEST thing to ever happen to Clinton was GORE losing. It was the only way that the left has avoiding having to own up to the mistakes of their weak positions on defense and risky-misguided economic policies.

Wow, that is a profound observation.

Great post!

[Judith Anne]

I'm with Howlin. And JR.

[Gothmog]

Talk about a waste of time

[grellis]

Thanks! My tag was going reaaaaally stale.

[Shryke]

ROTFLOL! The ultimate compliment, even if you only use it for the day. Thank YOU.

[grellis]

I'm with Howlin. And JR.

Amen and sheesh!

[grellis]

I'll make ya faymis, baybee!

[grellis]

Time to switch to decaf or beer, btw...

Suggestions, anyone?

[Woodworker]

Your question is very well put, and the premise is not at all unlikely. Al Gore would not have governed like Bill Clinton, because Al doesn't have Bill's great political instincts. Actually, based on the erratic behavior that Al Gore has exhibited since 2000, who knows what he would have done!

As for supporting Al Gore, granted that he would have done everything that GW Bush has done to date, it’s really a moot point. With the passage of tax cuts like GW’s, the far left (i.e., Howard Dean, et al) would have successfully denied Al the Democrat Party nomination. So, the race might have been a bit like 1968, with a Democrat “lame duck” in the White House, and a Republican challenger running with “a secret plan to end the war”.

GW’s war plan seems to be based on Thomas PM Barnett’s worldview:

http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/index.htm

Thomas PM Barnett is a Kerry supporter. His worldview calls for many decades of Americans to take up the “Davos Man’s Burden” to interconnect the world and eliminate the Gap where the wild things thrive. Samuel P. Huntington presents a different worldview:

http://www.alamut.com/subj/economics/misc/clash.html

So, Howlin, in your hypothetical alternate history, whose worldview would form the basis of the Republican challenger’s “secret plan to end the war”? I’d bet it would be Huntington’s, and that it would involve the USA developing a stronger national identity, and fending off the Jihad from the Islamic civilization.

That’s not a bad plan, but as always the Devil is in the details. It’s like the Roman Empire vs. Islam. Would the hypothetical Republican challenger, if he won, get to play the role of Romanus IV Diogenes at Mantzikert, or would he be akin to Basil I in his successful campaign to keep the Abbasid caliphate out of Southern Italy?

[Shryke]

Tense? Scotch. I prefer, to start, a blended scotch like JW Black. If you hate scotch, then have it with soda water. It's very relaxing, and makes you look suave and deboner*.

Yes, people, I know it's "debonaire".

[grellis]

I'll have to stay away from booze for at least another hour, it so happens. I've gotta go buy that new Shatner cd before it sells out.