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The continual manipulation of the Bush contract on Tradesports and IEM has a real risk of effecting this election. The seller either has significant knowledge of unknown information or is manipulating the contract for EFFECT. MANY commentators and pundits check these markets regularly and it effect their judgements and confidence. This is not a time to wobble. Freepers need to make this known WIDELY. The seller has sold 100's of thousands of contracts to break and suppress the market. If you do not understand the effect it has just look at Soros' manipulation of the pound. He made himself right. This is nothing to take lightly. Anyone with BC04 contracts needs to inform them ASAP.
1 posted on 10/28/2004 12:04:26 AM PDT by JingoJim
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To: JingoJim

Oh, please, now you're just making crap up. Nothing that happens on Tradesports is affecting the election in any way. Pundits and correspondents don't look at sudden swings in the numbers and suddenly start gnashing their teeth.

Tradesports is a small-time gambling operation and that's it.


2 posted on 10/28/2004 12:10:08 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: JingoJim
Ok, I'll say this again. And don't take this too personally - this has just reached a ridiculous point.

Mods, please forgive the profanity below.

WHO GIVES A RATS ASS!!!

Dear lord, peole trying to manipulate a futures market on the presidential election is next to meaningless. Why do people constantly fret over such useless things as how bush is doing today in the IEM or tradesports? Who cares if he's up or down, and why does it demand 4 or 5 individual threads a day!?!?!?!

For pete's sake, instead of wasting your time fretting about a burp in some market that won't exist in a week, do something constructive!! Go out and volunteer at your local GOP office. THAT may actually have an impact on this election. Starting a thread whenever someone takes a profit or makes a buy on one of these markets does NOTHING.
3 posted on 10/28/2004 12:12:23 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: JingoJim

"MANY commentators and pundits check these markets regularly"

Yeah, right.
Why would anyone give a rats ass what a bunch of gamblers thing? If affects no one. No thinking person even pays attention to polls let alone quasi-legal betting.

When was the last time you heard any body say "well better odds before I cast my vote"?

If you're taking a bath in your betting, maybe its your sign to come clean.


6 posted on 10/28/2004 12:15:10 AM PDT by konaice
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To: JingoJim

I cannot believe that people who watch these things enough to put money in them will not know they are being manipulated. Ray Fair just predicted a huge win for GW. I will take his word over a gambling venue since he's a world renowned economist.


8 posted on 10/28/2004 12:16:11 AM PDT by Merry
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To: JingoJim

If it's manipulation, then so what? 99% of the people don't know what the hell it is...and the 1% that do won't do a think to the election count. Maybe driving Bush's numbers down short term to buy back...regardless, pretty much the die is cast in this election IMHO.


12 posted on 10/28/2004 12:27:56 AM PDT by madison46 (Are there kerry Republicans or only Bush Democrats?)
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To: JingoJim

My two cents...in "Catch-22" there is a section where the Allied troops on Malta are looking at an update map of the Allied front in Italy. When the front moves past a certain line the men are out of the range of the German air force. When the movement of the front stalls, the tension becomes unbearable. This prompts one guy to sneak out in the middle of the night to move the line on the map to relieve the tension. I doubt the values of Tradesports/IEM affect the election as much as simply reducing the accuracy of the markets as a predictive mechanism.

And I doubt that for long - if the markets are heavily traded given the structure of the markets it's simply a good means of throwing your money away to buy and sell goods well outside of market value not to mention futile as to affecting long term market value. But if "manipulators" want to throw their money away, let them. The contracts will be redeemed in less than a week. Get as much as you can out of them.


13 posted on 10/28/2004 12:35:09 AM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: JingoJim

Another recent user with a "The Sky is Falling!" post.

I wish you DUmb@sses would just go in the road and play with sharp objects.


14 posted on 10/28/2004 12:39:56 AM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: JingoJim

These betting web sites are interesting but they are coincidental indicators. The sales of Halloween masks are also coincidental indicators. Whichever candidate's mask is the best seller has been the winner in the past. But running out & buying masks will not change the outcome.


15 posted on 10/28/2004 12:52:51 AM PDT by preacher
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To: JingoJim
This is a bit like saying that an ink stain on someone's shirt is somehow related to the number of books in the local library.

If anyone looking at these false manipulations of the betting market on the US Election thinks that they somehow represent public opinion they are deluded.
17 posted on 10/28/2004 1:00:13 AM PDT by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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T R O L L ...... A L E R T


21 posted on 10/28/2004 1:31:43 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: JingoJim

Personally, I use the 7-11 coffee cup indicator.


23 posted on 10/28/2004 3:50:30 AM PDT by looney tune
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To: JingoJim

STOP IT! Splash cold water on your face and stop getting hysterical. Virtually no one cares about these markets.


25 posted on 10/28/2004 4:07:25 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: JingoJim

BCO4 needs to be informed?

(BC04 would probably suggest a chill pill.)


29 posted on 10/28/2004 5:28:21 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: JingoJim

Jim...if you are confident that the chances of Bush reelection are over 50%, place bids below 50.0. If someone dumps large amounts at a low ask, you can pick up their shares. Just recently, the PRESIDENT.GWBUSH2004 contract has traced all the way back to 10 (10% chance of Bush win). The market quickly recovered and the trader that picked up those contracts realized a 500% return (if sold) when the contract price traced back to 50. (50% chance of Bush win).

TradeSports may or may not have been subject to attempted manipulation. However, the market is liquid enough to absorb any inefficient pricing quickly.

So, I don't think you should be too concerned about these matters. I will say that I disagree with the posters who have totally dismissed the political futures markets in their replies to you.


30 posted on 10/28/2004 5:59:27 AM PDT by Lee_Atwater
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